Hate Mail to Snowboarding

Welcome to Rad matters. I'm sitting here rocking out to my band from like 15 years ago that really pan I just played with different people and every time I play with anyone that just caught metal pipes had like many different iterations but this particular one is with Jamie Lynn. And our friend Johnny or his friend Johnny says probably from like 2006 in recovering a terminator song. self destructive us, says Jamie in the singing on guitar net I'm on leaves that Johnny on drums I like to play slider here I found this trove of old music they're recorded back up to about 2008 2009 is before I get my hip surgery is when I really couldn't physically do much. But I found 40 or 50 songs. This is one of them. And I'll just play at the beginning of episodes but here's my lead sick I got some more green years coming up. I put the delay sick. That was a metal pipe circa 2005. Even six, I don't know. Somewhere in my last years there. Again, I was Jamie on a guitar rhythm guitar. myself on lead guitar and Johnny I can't think of his last name. It's the longest Italian one anyways, on drums. And yeah, we the three of us who dropped out here in there. And those who want to see it can't get candy coated. That was Johnny's band that just kind of went from there. But uh, but yeah, that was some cool shit. And it's funny because when I recorded that stuff Oh, that's a washer in the background. Just so you know, in my studio, my new brand new studio I put a washing machine in it says cool and drier. But yeah, when I record that, so now I got plenty of other things. Most of which is just me playing so I'd like you know, put a drum machine on the fucking Garage Band or whatever. And lay of rhythm guitar bass, bass guitar and they're sometimes sometimes wouldn't have a bass and then just you know, scream leads over everything. No lyrics and pretty lead heavy shit. If you like, you know, hacked versions or not versions, but like yeah hacks Yeah. Poor Man's Nebula, you could say or you know, poor man's by poor man compared to nebula I mean, like, you know, destitute, you know, living in a river type shit, compared to those highs but listening to it years later, I'm way I'm like, fuck, actually, it's just kind of sick. Oh, like I'll be like, Oh, that's a sick leave my Oh, that was me. And yeah, now so it's been kind of fun discovering this recordings. And for anyone that knows or is interested. I also found something really fucking cool. New pertain to the Mount Baker full or people used to travel there. I found a video I took of George Dobis inside this shop. It's about 20 minutes long, just and he doesn't know I'm filming. I told him just put my computer here to charge or just some bullshit. And so it's just like this unfiltered. I can conversation I think tax pops in a little bit. And so it's mainly me George and someone else I haven't identified yet but I know the voice you know. So it's cool. Like anyone from Baker, whatever I'll be, I'll be doing something with that. You know, respectfully, it's badass. Just to hear George fucking tear me apart like make it you're so fucking stupid. He's fucking gnarly. Yeah, no wonder the next generation was so goddamn sensitive, right? Fucking the pendulum swings and boy was at swinging the other way back then. So, you know, maybe some shed some light on that transformation of how all these next generation snowboarders are a bunch of fucking pussies? I don't know. I'm just kidding. Yeah, and I said the word pussy and I'll say all sorts of other dumb shitty shit. Take whatever, cry all you want. Let's see. So, today's is just got some reflections on. Like, you know, what? What was the hell? Yeah, someone who's in a funky spot right now. It's like, it doesn't, in a sense doesn't really have a clearly defined future. Like, this is what we do as a sport every year. We are this is our championships over here. And then we have this you know, open window for different filmmakers. And that's, you know, right now there's not much leading and you know, if Yeah, if you're into the contest thing, you're gonna be wrapped up in that and like bullshit do these contests for to you in your world that weekend? You know, and to whoever's watching on late night cable, or whatever it's shown on now. Three in the morning, it might matter. But really, yeah, he is a like a writer or, you know, person industries, like, does this sell boards? Does this help? Fuel things? And then typically, yeah, the answer's no, just because you know, there's a see there's several reasons for that. I think if they go back, way, way, way, way back and a part of it is like this, this this credit, they've been they the snowboard industry, I don't really feel that much a part of it anymore. been, you know? What do you call it? Just self ostracized, you say literally out on an island in the Pacific, but I do feel it needs a lot of fucking hell for now. And not that people in industry aren't capable. But they I think they're all in just echo chambers, you know? And you know, what I said during the little Terry a rant I had a couple months ago was like, you know, the, the bus at random was hairy. Everyone else in industries is on that bus. They're just either fucking like dead asleep in in their REM sleep, or frantically looking for the steering wheel the bus because no one's really staring. It's just fucking careening down this mountain. And you know, there's snowboarding is a it's a fucking cool thing, right? Like, you know, for me, it was like, it was such a crossing of different worlds. I'm sure a lot of people have similar stories. But fuck those guys. You're, you're listening to me right now. There's my podcast. So you'll hear mine. You know, I was actually a ski instructor at what was PacWest ski area up in Washington. And I did that. And I was just kind of like, in the training to be a kid's instructor. And part of that training was, it was when I was like, 13 pilot training was like relearning to ski, you know, just kind of going through the whole thing again. And so you can better explain it better understand it. But what was killing me at the time was just all this technique of certain technique that had to be kind of like adhered to, like, he turned like this, you do this, you hold this, you know, you form the pizza, or whatever the fuck it is. And then you say during the week, and I'd always been in skiing, so I was like, five or six, pretty much favorite thing to do. And then but until this year, when I started skateboarding, and so during the week, I was like, you know, just skating, you know, and skating back in the early 80s. But, you know, you're typically breaking the law, you're typically trespassing it best, you know, we used to there's a Waterside Park in Federal Way, Washington. This isn't at this time, but that was a little bit later, but you know, We used to go skate that once a year. I knew right when they drained it and we park our cars on the ifI basically. So if we ever got chased out, just you know, so it's just, it was like that. And then you know, you got to skate this bowl, you didn't know if you're going to be there for fucking 20 minutes or have the rest of your lives there, you just really didn't know, maybe the owner shows up and he's like, he loves it, you know, and, you know, whatever, that doesn't happen, but and there's nothing right or wrong. You could really do on a skateboard. It's not like, you'd go up and kind of like car, you know, just do whatever you can do in a bowl. And people were like, No, you got to do it like this. Now you got to end so like, that whole side of things, was like, you know, kicking in, well, while I was learning to teach to teach skiing, and one of the weeks I sobering up my snowboard, and you know, when I'd be done with that, the deal was, you know, if you're a teacher, you got a free season to pass. And that's what I wanted. And so I think at that point, they probably gave me my pass. And PacWest was actually the only ski area up there up at Stockholm at the time, that allowed snowboarding, it was also kind of looked at as the crummiest and this that but I actually really liked it there. Like it was cool. They had some back, just fun, fun cat tracks with a little front side banks on the side. I remember, I'm vividly particular, in particular member, this one front side hit, you know, is basically you know, where the two trails merge. And to me it was a front side bank, but he has say, you know, everybody snowboards now all right, but back then it was like, not too many people snowboarding. And, you know, certainly maybe some people had a little bit of a skate background at this time. Maybe they didn't more than likely they did. And I listen to this, I just felt like when I was riding there a snowboard there's a place that skied for years and in particular that year because I was working there I just just remember looking at the mountain completely differently just going we have the same runs I was on and then yeah remembering Oh yeah, that one little the way that one that would be like you know that bank down the street you know, from Jack in the Box in the you district or something? I always compare it to some skate spot, you know. But you know, everything was like just Skatey and but you know, at that time, even amongst snowboarders no one not that many people really saw that mountain that way or any mountain anywhere, you know. So it was pretty interesting. It was probably I don't know within a week of that is when I met Craig I met him I put a ski Akers it was a see others that washer again, fuck, I'm stoked to get that installed in my studio. But yes, I met him up at Ski. Here's one night we both you know, I think ski who's allowed it one night a week. And they I think they actually figured out what night a week it rains because seems like every time I went to ski occurs on a snowboard at night it was raining. And it was I think raining this night. And I was with I think Gil and that was whatever. That's another kind of story. But that's how I ended up you know, meeting Craig and then going to Baker. He got my number. He called me that week and was liking my dad loves Mount Vernon, which is close to Baker. I go up there every weekend and ride with these guys, you know, turn out to be Dan Oh, and Fulton Carter's is the crew. And so I started doing that, you know, and that was a what do you call it? That was killer. Say my mom would drop me at his frat and the U DUB. I forgot what Friday was in but Friday afternoons and then basically come pick me up on on Sunday nights or he dropped me off one of the two. But um, you know, over over time I learned or I learned after he passed law mom told me this it like with the exception of the first couple times every time he asked me to go up to the mountain, you know, my answer was I was like, I asked my mom and yeah, at that time, it was kind of like this guy's three four years older than me in college. He wants to hang out, you know, could be fishy so, you know, I gotta ask my mom and but he took the liberty of asking my mom ahead of time like he would call my mom. Hey, you know Mrs. Ranquet. I want to bring Miko blah, blah, blah for the weekend. She'd be like, Oh, that's great. Thanks, Greg. And, you know, get phone. And then he, you know, call me an hour later and be like, Hey, Mike, you know, do you want to go to Baker this weekend? And then I got asked my mom, okay. Yeah, he already knew the answer. So it was just kind of like, something cool to learn. Years later, you know, fucking made me ball at the time when I was when she told me that it was like, gnarly. But anywho that's how I you know, escaped. I mean, it's kind of the reason I kept snowboarding was was Baker because it was like, I immediately just comparing everything to skating. And the other part of it was, you know, they didn't allow it. 100% every fucking scary. Some nights. And so Baker was like, every weekend and, and Baker was gnarly is gnarlier than you know, and those crude up until I started skiing. alphatauri 1975 I know all about Alpha doll. I know there's good shit there have written. But nothing is, you know, is like Baker Baker's Baker. That's it? And yeah, the crew up there. Yeah, at that time, it was like, it was a pretty, pretty wild sport in that, you know, we were fucking, like Fulton and Dan and Craig. And you know, say Carter and Chanko like all these cats a fucking a road, gnarly shit back then. And did it? Well, you know, they weren't just fucking, you know, just arms in the air flying down. They, they look good doing it, you know, they, they rode with style they rode with, you know, it was a good, good crew. And all of a sudden, here's this, like, you know, 14 year old skater that comes up with Craig and, and like, Yeah, and just, in a lot of ways, it was like, it was funny to me, because I was I was like, what, you know, why? Kinda like, was Craig stoked on me like years later is like, you know, cuz if you knew Craig, he knew that. He had people in his life in, and everybody should be like this kind of, like, for a reason you don't just hang out with kind of, you hang out people that help elevate you, you can help elevate, that you will want to model in some sense in your life, or, you know, whatever it is, but it was always a trip to me. And then he took till a US later, and I think about probably what my dad passed. I remember finding a stack of magazines at this house and seeing let's see, like, you know, say, you know, early radical now or is m bunch of old Trans World, but it got up to about 9091 And I think about 8990 Just one year in particularly you just see how Craig's writing completely change Chang not like every aspect of his cell, but one thing for sure was all his grabs were near near his foot, like, say on a method where it's like, he started grabbing, you know, right Nitya right on top of his front foot, which would be his what left foot or right behind, like melancholy. So and so his is to say, oh, there's Washington MAMP stoked on that. I used to say, You know what, kind of like issue grab, you should grab his tighten up your shit, you know. And he, you know, we go if the lifter and we get in these homeless debates, and they really were Yeah. And I look back, I'm like, yeah, he was just testing my theory. You know, he'd be like, why what's the difference? And you know, for and I'd say for starters, it just looks better. And at the time, I was starting to do spins small backside spins grabbing mute. And because I did a gay twist on a skateboard, which is a capillary will mute grab, particularly that's what a gay twist it so it's like the mute grabbing spinning or kind of like one in one so but I remember the first couple times I grabbed and and just got it around, right? It was like that's that's what that was like the hardening agent of these different you know, liquidy proxies I mixed all together. But he had a hardening agent, you know, where I could consistently land them was when I could consistently grab them because it it kind of gets you up in this ball. Let's You know, saying that in those days I dropped my tail, keep the mute grab tight. And he had just dropped my tail kind of like tailbone the 360, like, I was doing a twist where I'd like, you know, do the Cavaleiro grab, start spinning, but you just poke down your back leg and just lag on it. And then your body catches up, whatever. But yeah, so I was even certain explain how grabbing like that on spins, makes spinning easier. And it and say, I just remember one point, I was like, you know, if, if a random skier where to snowboard and where to jump into the air. The first thing they'd instinctually do is grab the board by the tip and arch their back and keep their net head neck up all Yeah, just like a big kind of rockety method there. Because, you know, in, in every kind of sport, like you could almost say extreme sports, like, you know, whether it's a BMX thing or fucking motocross, the kickout it's the kick out you want to get your back leg in front of you. And so on a motorcycle to the width it fucking that's what that is. It's a fucking it's their method air. And so I'll whatever's icon with this. The So yeah, that was my kind of point Craig was like, you know, every sports got their kick out. So skateboarding, but like, at the time, you know, I'd been to Del Mar I'd been exposed to like, by St. Vinda. Del Mar younger people. Del Mar was like, the literal only Skateboard Park in the whole United States in 1984. It's where Tony Hawk lived. Yeah, basically. So it's like, by saying that, like I bet, you know, it's like, I've seen the shit, I've been to the shit. Like, I know, I know what's up. And just the way like, cab, whoa, soy. And then he just did method x. And obviously, they're skateboarding. So they're grabbing near their front foot, but it made their body really have to fucking arch out and push it out as opposed to snowboarders who could, or kind of like grabbing the tip, and just pointed out their back leg kind of sucking up there, and kind of pushing it up. Just a really lazy kind of backside method II thing, because it could be lazy on it, or I was like, fuck, that was, let's do that shit tight. Let's make it, you know, kind of like, make it better. And on top of that, we should you know, these are these tricks are already what do you call it? In play with this other sport? You know, let's just pick up on what they're doing. And kind of like, we're not gonna rename them. We're not gonna, you know, just that whole dog shit, how one extreme sport or whatever, that's a whole nother story all stumbled into at some point, probably today. But it's, what do you call it? So, you know, it's like I finally talked him into I remember going into Canyon one time. And just on all his backsides. He was just doing like, smaller jumps, and he could never normally would have. But he was just working on that technique. And it was like he was he was he said, you know, skateboarders are getting tons of air they're doing. And so I would say to him months before, it's like, it's not like that infinite error or something. They're doing it over, you know, they basically dug a hole in the ground, filled it with cement and I'm filled it poured cement in a hole and then skated that. And they were going nine feet out, eight feet out, in some cases, two or three feet out, but still, it looked everything looked good. Because style really mattered. And there's a lot of things skating, you can't even you can't even like learn wrong, like an ollie. You know, by the time you could do a three two foot Ollie out of say, a nine foot ramp, you know, just nice solid. You there's no way you could kind of like be doing it wrong at that point. By the time you make those first ones is like they're, they're, they're perfect. You know, maybe somebody who's got bad style. Can't really hold that against them. It's still funny. Which would change the way they're all looks but it it's like you have to skating you really have to perfect something to make it you know, so I don't know where I am. With that. See, just getting back to the Craig thing So it's like in the stack of magazines. I just saw it. You know, at one point, Craig completely changed SEO. Like say you had less of this slob tail bones, which he was famous for pretty much you know at that time. Those are the old SIMS I had with him with Reese pants on doing it. There's less of that and more like frontside air, nose bones. See stale fishes. But sailfish like grabbing firmly between your your bindings, not anywhere near the tail really. And, you know, then sailfish just got really lame and snowboarding going do it just became a lazy thing, people would grab it, and then do frontside in a pipe and then just kind of arch out. And just it could kind of fall back into the pipe. And right off. Like it was just such a I just always thought it was weak, you know? Because sailfish is a sick trick. But both those tricks I mean, they weren't. You know, they weren't around forever. You know, it's not like skating's 1000s of years old. Those two tricks in particular were basically invented in that year, you know, 8485, somewhere in there. The first shots I remember seeing have gone student selfish. It was like unbelievable. And so, but the trick to that is a huge, perfect, really good Ollie. And you don't, yeah, you grab it when you're when your foots pointed down, you know. So that's how I was doing snowboarding. But like certain tricks, snowboarding quickly got adapted by non skaters. So even somebody that used to skate didn't skate that good could fuck these up. Like just certain tricks were just watered down, you know, really bad. Like, say, there's an easy, sloppy way to do stale fishes, and everyone didn't like that for years. Whatever, that's neither here nor there, but neither am I. So just getting back to say, just as early days of talking that shit with with credit, you know, when I remember looking at those magazines EIRP. See, I didn't get as much coverage as Craig Craig was a fucking, he's a world champion, multiple times in a row. That's what he was after back then it was like jockey Craig, but whatever. And I was just starting to get shots and mags here and there. So what do you call it, some of the issues would have one or two shots for me. But two things. In particular, that there were cool to just see in these magazines, you know, one was like, the, the day, the kind of year, Craig stopped grabbing his hip. And again, I was like, I tell him, you know, if a skier was to do a jump on a snowboard, and they said, you have to grab your board. Kind of that's what they do. They just do it really? Like there's no params there's no like, you can do any which way and it's fucking cool for the jester hat on where three piece suit. It'll be funny. It'd be crazy. Yeah, that's that direction, you know, so I was bringing into the skating. And just at that point, just kind of formulating my head that this sport needs to be about skating. Otherwise, it is kind of like if somebody doesn't say, police this shit, or be this Guardian at the gate that I was for a long time. Just anything goes, you know? And it's no worrying was to it wasn't. Yes, I was truly guiding it, how I saw it. And but at least it was me shrewdly guiding it to seeing how I saw fit and sort of 99% of the people that wrote back then because not that they weren't good writers or good people. They just they didn't have any foresight or ideas of where this should or could go. And I guess I did, I had for the foresight of this needs to you know, become a board sport. It was only surfing and skateboarding. Back then snowboarding was nowhere near being like, accepted and same with windsurfing. Serta, same time, they probably had more, more, you know, hoopla about them and then snowboarding did at the time. And you know, look at where's the windsurfing now. Where's their industry? Where like, it's, you know, the you know, if when surfing is outlawed only outlaws will serve with Surf right? Yeah, there are those holdouts out there I get it, but just as a whole, where the fuck is that, you know, say in mid 90s, they're like doing these races and some velodromes in Germany, packing them in these giant fans, it was like Roman the Romans when they turn the Coliseum into, you know, for sea battles, you know, it was like that it was up there with that type of thinking like the end of a, the end of civilization is like, you know, yeah, that was just a bad call for everyone to go along with it. And that's what happens when, like, people don't kind of, say, sing is a single or collectively put their foot down and be like, you know, what, this doesn't represent as well. This, you know, yeah, we can find a winner every time and probably be the most skilled person. But, you know, you got to think how, how the sport is? I don't know, just seen perceive all around. Yeah. So like, going along the years, we'll skip ahead to say, oh, five at this point. 20 years later, probably snowboarding, it's it turned another corner and that it you know, by that time, it had long been accepted as a board sport, you could say some skaters, you know, respected or whatever, however you want to put it. in Essos, cruising along, it was you know, snowboarding had just brought the first board sport extreme sport to the Olympics. And you know, they did 98th And again in what Oh, two or whatever. Salt Lake I think, I think that's right. But you know, so it was riding on a on its high, just, but at the same time, the output from you know, magazines being editorial, the videos, people made a ad shot. It was just getting increasingly gnarlier. Like, all of a sudden, like every page of every magazine was like, some dude's name. You shouldn't even fucking say because it's got so many goddamn letters in it looks like our alphabet fucking like, mixed, shuffled twice. Like our alphabet times two shuffled? Yeah, that's a kid's name. Okay. So, yeah, some dude, he I have no association with to begin with, you know, way younger. Just going off a colossal of a jump of which, you know, you if most people were to look at the mountain and see that they wouldn't even process it. That's a jump. Like, it was just like, you know, these perfect jumps being built everywhere and people just doing very precise things, you know, people were mastering you say, and you know, there's a side of that this fucking beautiful, great shit. And as part of the sport, but there's a side when you are just turning people off. You know, when, when, you know, dude looks at a magazine is like, there's no, I know, there are no magazines anymore. No one has told me that. There's no There's no association with he doesn't know who this kid is. Would never got that fucking jump. Because he just could never even conceive of that trick, then it's like, oh, let's check out some big mountain stuff. It'd be like, you know, Jeremy Jones at the top of some fucking wicked face. It's like, you know, negative 20 over vert. And that the average and again, those are, besides the sport that fucking should be pushed should be celebrated, really? But when that's all you show, no, no, and people will just become uninterested because, you know, they're, let's say, let's go. Let's take it back. Or rewind back to 9192 in my head, I was called like, when the floodgates broke when the levee broke, basically. And that was around 92. And I've been thought about this a lot in that the one movie in particular that I think like, you know, broke things down and not not just because I'm in it, but because I'm in it too. And some other people and and the things that happened very soon after, okay, so that film would be roadkill There's already a contingent of people you know, FreeCell minded type riders coming up. So that you know, constituted the that roadkill needed to be made because you know, it's not like it was just going to be received by a bunch of ex skiers. Now snowboard reps in Europe, they're gonna be like scratching their heads. That thing was already starting but after roadkill it it just blew up and it's just kind of dawned on me recently as to why and like, Okay, let's do this way like rocailles at mid season release, I think January so by February's International, but I went to Japan that year, like say in December any January before roadkill will come out. And people knew who I was like really interesting to them because I had been kicked out of Japan a year or two prior. And so that's something I thought about overtime. It's like, I did something that they can never do. You know, they could murder 40 people, but they'll never get kicked out of Japan. You know, they'll just go to prison for life. I actually got kicked out of Japan. So it's like, I just became really fascinating, fascinating to them. And but say after Roco came out, I can remember what back first a trip in February or March. And not only was it playing everywhere and all this stuff, like even that big jumbotron downtown Tokyo like in Roppongi district, if anyone's ever been there. Yeah, the only the biggest jumbotron like that in the world. One evening road cosplay on that. It was like it was crazy. Like how much we were just part of their culture. And let's see. Okay, so the buttering in there for sure. That was and, and just this style of tricks in between the buttering in the style tricks. There wasn't too many things. In that movie that most people that Snowbird already maybe hadn't, but had been thinking about it. There wasn't too much trick was in that movie that most people didn't feel that he hadn't or felt, didn't feel like he got and do like they could, they could emulate those tricks. Because, you know, it was, you know, I was trip on how buttering want to this super easy thing, you know, like, you know, kind of like a dummy one day is almost the first thing someone learns from a snowboard. And then I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool. And, you know, like I say about a lot of say things have come up with or invented. It's not that they want to have happen. It's not like that someday. It would have happened someday by basically, you know, some asshat with a fucking jester hat on, and we became a completely different thing. Or is, you know, when I set that bar with, I was emulating skateboarding literally, in my head every time I do this, so it was like, Yeah, sure, they would have came come along later buy some fucking, I don't know, some jockey, you know, jester hat or snowboarder with no style, and he would have called him the fucking, you know, whatever his last name was Lady, you know, the fucking Johnson slidey. But it's the, the intent of which I did that with is with the differences and why it's lasted so long. And why? Yeah, I knew back then, like, after roadkill, especially when I actually saw them because I've been doing it for years at that point, but I knew its potential of, of fucking being just like, like a revert just an add on to a trick, you know, for you, and there's full potential, I wouldn't unlock its full potential. There's just a lot to do on that. And if again, if some asshat you know, did the Johnson slider, you know, the just doesn't have see, you wouldn't go back set one at Johnson slider, to you know, cat 540 years to attract 40 or whatever, off a jump, you know, it's just just the fact that Johnson came up with it, and that the it's, it's how I did it, how I executed it, and it's like, I almost emulated then what I wanted it to do in 20 years, you know, so it's never surprised me seeing that comeback or seeing kids get into it. Because it's fucking it's his, you know, it's like one of the things on a Tony Hawk game you know where You can just fucking wheelie into everything and extend your trick. And all of a sudden you realize it's really easy to do that, you know, and your points are just doing beaming. It's kind of like that. So just realize it. So one day, I just was really proud of the fact that I, I came up with that and kind of like, it was implemented with a right. Right intent, and it's carried on because of that. And so, okay, so there's buttering Roko. Yeah, we're, we're back. And there was a lot of backs when at last shift ease, which was, you know, not grabbing, which at that time, all the kind of non skater clown snowboarders just felt like you have to grab and make it cool. And then just a lot of guys started to really emulate an ollie. And if you do get all he kind of shifted them and so that that also got blown out of proportion. So this was the beginning of this pattern of skateboarders kind of taking something cool from skating, or snowboarders to kind of taking something cool from skating. And it's like, okay, cool. Hey, thanks, guys, for letting us borrow this thing, just riding into the ground, like the big pant thing, or the shift ease, or the mute stuffies you know, everything just has to be run to the fucking ground, you know? But anyways, so with that, film it that's when I saw the the, what do you call it? When the Levee broke when everyone started writing? Because not only did did myself yeah, make it look and I hate this term. Skatey. But it's not scary is it? Influenced, inspired by skateboarding and skateboarders. And so, people were seeing what I was doing, and, and I was going there for a little while, like, kinda like a murmur. You know, I had small video part small, but people everyone knew I was doing some different things doing and I was a little fucking kind of snot had about if you didn't, if you didn't do kind of like, what ride the way I was, I just clown people like to their face in interviews. Like, fuck those guys who know what the fuck they're doing. They're copying me. That's it. And, in fact, there's a there's one tip trick that Craig did, I forgot what it was, What magazine but like, it was like, something like he was riding with me at Baker. And it was it was a capillary of some sort, or an air to fakie of some sort with a particular grab. And I was seeing them and he was like, Oh, those are kind of like those are cool. Fucking Yeah. How do you think that or where do you think? And I just said, I was right up the list. Just thinking to myself and thinking I saw someone do that skating. That would be cool. And maybe it was even the nose bone? I'm not sure. But like, Craig went and did a sequence like, what do you call a tick trick tip? The next couple of weeks later, that didn't come out for like, you know, maybe even the next year, but like, he literally was like, you know, how do you come up with this? Well, yeah, I was just going up the lift alone. Like just did this to fuck with me and danno did it on a certain to a certain extent also, no. Like, even at the time, I thought it was funny. It was like yeah, they should have given me you know, credit where credit's due whatever, but I was the fucking kid that endlessly fucked with them. And you know, the second they were done beating the tour my legs were purple. If I could stand up, stand up and just tell them what fags they were or just say that oh my god. Oh. Oh my god. What do I it's too late. It's how cats out of the bag Apparently you're not allowed to make any you know what could be perceived to be derogatory or any statement whatsoever about this whole crew of people? I just did fuck Well, I meant to say flag with a silent l those guys are flags. So anyways, I knew carry on. Just you know when you come when you when you come for me just leave most people I know out of it. You drag them into this but anywho just flicking around what do you call it? Yeah, it was it was some funny times back then. Yeah, cuz I was like this kind of like trick machine. I was just coming up with shit and not really coming up with it. Just watching skateboard videos and looking at skateboard shots going out that weekend and you had to spend the better part of whatever afternoon like working on like, Okay, are you angry at one of the stale fishes and it was kind of like I just want to get one sick one, you know? And like, sure I did 10. But only one felt sick, you know. But, you know, looking back, no one else was riding like that no one else had that influence. Maybe they skated somewhat. Or maybe they're really in skating, they just worked that into snowboarding, and whatever it was, I had this kind of perfect combo and also rode with the then standing world champion. So it's like, yeah, it was a trip. So you know, getting all the way back to roadkill. That that broke the levee on the West Coast skater guy that was getting a little bit older, couldn't skate that Well, to begin with, but still kind of clung to it image was it just, they could just fold it all right into snowboarding. And, and, you know, so ESA, after that one and a couple other films of ESA, other people to you know, snowboarding was coming into that picture of becoming, you know, it's not like there's ever a day when the surfing and skateboarding, communities industries, you know, anointed snowboarding, the new you know, but that's kind of what happened over the next couple years. And we call it Yeah, it's like, they're way past due on some credit payments, I think. And, and I think it's, it's my name on the, on the paver. So, you know, they've been running on my credit for good 35 years myself. So as Nick and Carter yells, you know, I mean, snowboarding was so just on the verge of kookiness a and there's still so much of it in the sport, you know, even cardiology, talking to him years later. Yeah, cuz he, he, I rode with him a lot. I could say, I don't think anyone rode with cardiol more than myself. And Cucum Baker for a couple of weeks, every year I ride with Craig myself, and you know, he was welcome to third Craig like them, he was just like, a lot of fucking energy. And, but, you know, one day he just kind of stopped. And, you know, just talking to him, like a decade later about, you know, he didn't say exactly like this, but it basically came down to I think I left Lamar. So he and I were traveling together anymore. And then there was that, you know, it was just too kooky. It was, you know, he couldn't like say, maintain. You know, at that point, say 92. He was like Thrasher skater of the year, multiple cover shots of Thrasher at that point in his life in his skate career. He was, you know, this 19 year old for fucking Grass Valley that just lit the fucking skating up, you know? And then he went up snowboarding, you know, one weekend film and that got into whatever film was before roadkill and then the next fall was the roadkill stuff. And, you know, he never went out to be a pro snowboarder and never, you know, I got him on Lamar. And, and certainly saw like a pro model in what would I immediately saw was like, when I heard that cardi else snowboarded and was filming fallen, I was like, I just felt like, relieved. It was like, Oh, cool. I'm not, you know, I'm not the only one. I'm not doing this fight alone, or I'm not. Because that's how it felt. It was like snowboarding and just needed some representation. Because just being from Baker and riding that terrain, and say by 92, certainly, I had been up to valleys. As I got, I knew there's this whole other level of snowboarding sake, you know, in skating, you have 868 1012, trainees snowboarding had like, 1000 foot trainees, you know, like, just, it was, like, I saw that I saw done gnarly shit by that point. And most people getting into the sport, you know, dudes on the West Coast, that that stuff's never really had been seen too much or, say, recorded, it was more of the trickery stuff that we felt like roadkill things, you know, but me knowing that there's this whole other side. It's like, and then showing that to John, and so it's like, John, you know, walk away from snowboarding somewhat, but like, I was felt good in that. At least he's he knows least he fucking knows that there is that whole burly side of it and that's like, bigger real mountain riding not building jumps, not writing a Rails. Not any of that shit just looking like writing real mountains, you know, and with speed and power. And, you know, he came up with wrote me, Craig And I was frat you know, like I certainly remember doing runs with cardi L and Craig and, and cardiologists blown like dropping mine Craig's jaw you know just Holy shit. But the same time you know cardio looked at fucking Craig like a master you know he's fucking Craig Kelly Craig Kelly's Craig Kelly then John Cody. Oh, was John cordovan. And I guess Mike Ranquet was Mike, Greg, then and I still on now. So that's cool. But that was a, you know, the influence the, the would he call it? You know, just having cardi L as a snowboarder just brought in this greater influence or not influenced, like, he spoke to all the people that I kind of spoke to, and maybe we're starting to think about snowboarding. He spoke clearing lists to them and they all kind of in droves started snowboarding all of a sudden, was like you know all the skaters sakta over up snowboarding on weekends. And you know, the skater dudes in Salt Lake were starting to snowboard and, you know, there was a lot of other pieces to that pie. I believe Ben Pellegrino played a part out in Utah in that yeah, he just like Vinnies skater too, if I can. He kept it real. He wanted to see the sport, I'm sure. Yeah. Go on. Because he was riding big mountain shoes out in Utah. He wasn't out there. Because of the rails. He was out there fucking riding Snowbird. What matters out there, you know? So you know that. Benny was a fucking That was funny. I known Benny for years. And then you found out he snowboard? And it was like he does. I thought it was only one. So I don't know. I don't know where I'm going with this. I actually, I know exactly where I'm going with this. And I'll get there, but maybe not all in one shot. I'll see. You know, it's just I've been looking at the landscape lately. I've been wanting to do a podcast for a while just because I figured out once you get the equipment it I just want to vent I like and I've got a good storyteller. Yeah. Good voice apparently. And I straddled the lines between skateboarding snowboarding of which made the entire sport fucking cool. And what it stands on today is I built those foundations and it was, you know, it was nothing came for free back then it was like, yeah, now nowadays, like you go on Facebook or whatever history of snowboarding? Seems like anybody that you know, yeah, like I snow, we're in the 90s Me too, that just, you know, it just they're pros. They were influential that they just didn't have pictures in the mags because you're really writing those kinds didn't exist these dudes that were so bad better than Terry a better than anyone. They didn't exist because if somebody was ever that good, the industry, any industry kind of like it works around that. So you know, and there's just a lot of a lot of we caught just unserved unsubstantiated influencers out there. Like as speaking of in for the sport of snowboarding as if they had anything to do with it, you know, when it was going down, when, when, you know, when the cool shit really was going on. They were on the other side of history at that point. And they stay there for a long time. You know, it's just started Donna made this looking at, you know, sports, it's a weird one. And I said this five years ago when I kind of got back into things when we were doing that stupid brand fucking D Day. But, you know, just got me back in the mix of things. And you know, I was like, it's some strange times will now stranger, it's, it's, you know, nothing's broke nothing, you know. And, you know, we've got friends and you know, every kind of level of professional writing still younger, older, whatever. And they all say the same thing. It's it's like, you know, it's a big popularity contest. Everyone has to like everyone, everyone, you know, just you got to kind of like fill in this slot. This slot this slot and you know, nothing wrong with that fucking butt. It's like, if you're wondering why there's no you know, who I am stoked on and I know I'll look up his name just because he's a little Frenchie. Swiss kid is Arthur long or Artur loaned a fat kid that's that's sick like he's like snowboarder you know, just the whole idea of the side his thing I thought about that for fucking years like I've said this for decades is you you truly see like the kind of talent in someone like say someone like Terry or Chamberlain or just you know 100 other dudes that we're not 100 Oh Deuce are on that level but you know just riding with say Terry Jamie Lynn and I have many times and there's certain things like say I there's certain lines of Baker they want to follow me on because I know or whatever but certain jump lines we all know they knew by then you know so I'd get behind them and it was just six yeah following trailing right behind Terry and Jamie and just peak terriers peak Jamie years and just watching them just snap on these you know jumps or hits I was hitting every day so I knew what my thing was on them you know, Jamie didn't ride Baker all the time. He wasn't from up there but he was always fun to ride with don't get me wrong and welcomed and whatever but so I didn't ride with them every day out there so that's why I'm being like but the when you you see the most talented someone is like between the time they land the last jump or whatever or feature that they're filming you know say we're up a baker filming in the canyon the last hit out of the canyon Okay, as far back dog was sitting and we're done filming we're just going to the lift between there in the lift is where you kind of like the magic happens like these shifty little things that everyone that has spent a lot of time on fucking snowboard develop and you just get this really good fucking I guess what could be called this edge control just to me it's it's board control and and you just see in which different ways a really good dude can utilize it and and like that was always the coolest thing to me you know like this Terry did all these weird little things Yeah. Jamie for sure. You know and and myself too but yeah so I just think the you know the representation of this sport maybe even to the outside world on an ambassador Dorial kind of level is everything's off and the people that are out front and are considered these you know, just core dude you're holding the fucking the the soul to the sport and all this shit that you know there's there can asshats just like everyone else back then and the what really makes me kind of think this and want to go fuck you to those guys. And actually name them at some point. Just straight up is the whole Terry thing. It's like, people media torment mag dude. Fuck you all. You guys should be fucking embarrassed. You're on the wrong side of history officially. It's just the pendulum swung way hard this way and everyone's got feelings now. It's not gonna last forever. It's just gonna find some middle ground. Yeah, but the what what went down with Terry will be like, it's not like it's not do people owe him money? Just burden owe him money for all the sun. No, I'm not saying that. Well, he hasn't even been relevant in years. The thing with someone like say Terry or myself or Jamie are fucking cute. We we're on the fucking relevancy long game. Okay, we're not fucking at the executive nine hole of relevancy or we're fucking we're birdieing par fives like 500 yard Park fives with our fucking relevancy. And, you know, say the reason brushy is, you know, you could slap his name on a bunch of fucking, you know, Burton kind of reviews and sell 1000s of them. That's not because of his, you know, relevancy in December 2021. It's called the long game and snowboarding has to start thinking about long game because they never really have you know, when it was like peak just blowing up the Ofourse Oh, a, you know, it was like, so goddamn impressed with itself. You know, just kind of like getting home from the mountain, driving down the mountain talking to itself every day just going so hard. Did you see that fucking Oh my god. It's kind of like Backside Lipslide skating but you know, we're taking it next level and like it's just like this whole is narcissistic. I was talking about like it's a thing or person. It's just you know, by the time like 2011 rolls around Yeah, snowboarding is like the the ones hottest chick at the prom now fucking you know 30 pounds overweight the fucking dress straps are fucking you know, all around this bulging for in fat baby fat almost just you know running mascara crying and yeah just turned into this mess but it's like when it kind of like carried it was carrying a lot of weight is for these three board sports two of which were around way longer. You know, snowboarding did did help make skateboarding mainstream I firmly believe that surfing in a sense just because it made a board sport out front and a way in you know, the one thing I was point out about snowboarding compared to those two is like it is by far bar none of the three sports the easiest, you know, you know, say over a weekend, you couldn't take your 50 year old uncle dude, even if you spit and everything you couldn't take him to say whoa, keep on Maui and just you know, shoulder high waves not any crashing, you know, death, defiers, not shorebird either, but just shoulder high waves. But in that weekend, he would not he'd be still unable to drop in might be able to like ride out the whitewash a little bit. They wouldn't be dropping in and just turning into the wave, just nothing's gnarly. And same with skating, he wouldn't, at the end of the weekend with a mini ramp, you know, padded to the teeth, with fucking, like, you know, foam pits everywhere, he wouldn't be able to drop in and just do a Fresa grind on the six foot ramp or four foot ramp over a weekend. But he certainly 100% Get the grasp of snowboarding. And if, you know, in some cases, you know, he could, you know, ride the whole mountain but in the weekend, you know, traversing but he could you know, get down the mountain, there's never been an easier board sport, or kind of extreme sport. That's, and that's why it blew up back then too. Because, you know, by that time, early 90s skating, was having the second reemergence with street skating it become like it was starting to become the really kind of cool thing that it is. But certainly anyone with any kind of cool meter in them knew that skaters are really fucking cool. So to have this newer sport like snowboarding to be able to like, cling on to the 10 years of kind of work you skaters did to etch out this image of itself that is to be desired and that you know, eventually fashion industries and all sorts of industries model themselves after as is a I mean, there's just a million things, whatever but but yeah, snowboarding it it's, it's just blown it, you know, wants to now like fucking doesn't, doesn't care where it came from where it was going. It just busy looking in the mirror and thinking how cool they are right now. But really, you know, to know to know, your future, you got to study your past or at least I feel like in 2000 ish, especially around the time Craig died. Oh three, it was like all bets were off. And it was just like, is if my generation hadn't been asked to to vacate the premises already. It was like, Yeah, at most, it wasn't like skating and surfing. It's like editorial trips, film trips, whatever. Even add trips or vans. They're multi generational, you'll have like, anywhere from a low 50 Something surfer to you know, a mid 30 Something surfer you know 20 So even a teenager now will just cruise and they surf that's what they have in common. And they're not you know, sitting there discussing gender issues and quality. They all came from whole different worlds but they fucking respect the shit out of each other because of that, and that's our like little that's our seat and that's it you know that's how I say the the pro skaters that come up like that kid that won the Olympics, the bowl, the park shit. You just tell like he came up under the right to ledge of good skaters. You could see one Pedro was stoked that he did some trick or whatever. I could just see in Pedro's reaction that that kid, you know, he came through the ranks. And it's like, it's it is, it's what's fucked up with snowboarding is they just, you know, ushered us to the door gave us LOL, thanks for the effort and, you know is if like what they're about to do is just so much more gnarlier you know, hey, sorry, we're gonna start snowboarding on rails now. You know, but just that whole, like ultra cool kind of newer Pro, they kind of look back at snowboarding's early days, they didn't see the, the actual things that got them into snowboarding got that influenced them, they just kind of look at the gray factor with a silent AR. And they're like, oh, we gotta get the fuck away from that. And we got to be you know, super skating like, so we're cool. And yeah, that's where they've been ever since just trying to be fucking cool, because no one in the room has the, what do you call the credit? anymore to even be in that room? It's only a matter of time before people just go hey, who fuck are you guys get the fuck out of here. What are you guys doing here? Like you don't belong here. But but but but I don't know is I hope people are picking up on what I'm saying. I know. I'll it's a long game. I'm not looking to end this now. But the sport need needs some fucking change needs some representation and not. You know what, when the actual, you know, pieces of history of something are still alive. You might want to bring them into the fold to tell their story why they were important or what? He doesn't need to be told by someone else that you know, wasn't part of it. And I don't know. It's just like, you know, in skating, they wouldn't have an editor of Thrasher just gushing about Steve Olson and and Steve Alba. They'd have Steve Olsen the Steve Alba. They will you know, I mean, like Yeah, some some microphones, cords need to be cut, and, and redistributed or something. Because you know what? The reason it's broke right now. And everyone's just gonna stammer and look at each other. And people like Nicholas Mueller and Terry Aiken get cancelled. And these people in the media don't say anything. They'll just go stop and be like, What the fuck? Are you fucking serious. And you know, all these manufacturers fall is like nobody. No one's there to say anything. And no one will say anything they because they care about themselves more than the sport they didn't give too selflessly to the sport like say, like Terry with, you know, boycotting the Olympics in 98. whenever that was, that was like peak fucking Terry a competing, no one was he would have written it backwards on fucking PCT with his pants down and fucking won that thing. And for him to boycott that, and thus just cutting off. Let's say he didn't boycott he won, he got the Olympic gold. And then he just disappeared from snowboarding in Norway, they would have, you know, he would have had millions of dollars with endorsements. So it may still be running to this day. He you know, if it was a Cheese Company, he'd still be in their ads. And like he, he personally gave up so much for to make that point. And part of his point was like that, you know, this is not like a nationalist, nationalistic sport. Let's not Stoke, those thoughts of like, Yo, I'm from Norway, for the Norway team on him from his snowboarding was international. We were kids from all over the world. And we got along great. And, you know, certain parts of us made up a team, but it wasn't just because of what country we're from, you know? And you know, yeah, so it was like, just split about to split up the sport he saw that I certainly did, but not on the level that it could have or blah blah blah but like for him to go after the IOC the way he did that as some Bulldog shit, dude, looking after a each and every one of you motherfuckers that makes a penny snowboarding. So that's why I've got a a bone to shoot as far as the media dudes that have been running this show. They, you know, saw you guys up at Arctic challenges, you know, years ago. And you know, again, like that contest was sick like He wanted at first Yeah, turned into some big tour coming up blown out proportion dropped. But that's the rest of snowboarding taking it over. And oh, we should do this, we should do this. No, just leave something small and Pierre sometimes, he just had an end of the year. Fucking contest he wanted to do up way up north in Norway, still snow to work with, and just build kind of bombastic fucking features. And really, you know, handful of dudes be invited, and some of which would be based upon whatever contest results, but some of it not some of it just because that guy is badass. And, you know, he, he had, he was just smart in that, you know, say, just the judges, you know, it was like, say myself say boo, Johan, Mickey. I mean, it was like, it was just a well run event. And he kept dudes in the loop that hadn't been in a loop for a long time. And, and that was keeping me in the loop too. And it's like, again, a lot of this. Yeah, it's not a resentment, like, douche net. It's just a fucking it's like, there's some things in life that are right and wrong. And some things you know, bug me like, say, I usually see the shit other people don't and usually end up you know, trying to blow it up in someone's face, whatever it is, before anyone else sees it, and therefore I just look like an ass because, but years later, typically, people will thank me for things I've done at the time that were perceived as, as just being a punk this or that. It's like, I always had, like, you know, I don't know. I love snowboarding. I got it. I got it. It's back. And right now it needs it needs me. It needs a lot. And so yeah, we're gonna next whatever, episodes, we'll, I'll tell more of this kind of story or, you know, thing that's going along? And if anyone wants to, you know, say dispute, like, No, I was fucky Okay, cool. Go get your own podcasts has. Not really, actually, I'm going to start interviewing people and, and, you know, it's, uh, you know, the way that the sport of snowboarding needs to be inclusive is not with like, like, all this made up gender shit, they need to be inclusive in it generationally. And it might not find itself in this weird crossroads. You know, it blew up faster and harder than surfing is in skateboarding. It also has come down faster and harder. And, you know, skating is surfing is kept key people in place and always had them as part of the whole, you know, it's like, their new parts of skating, but they always had like a Grosso or fuckin Phelps, or, you know, there's always this side of skating that like you look at I just saw some stuff from Jose the other day, he's in Mexico City with the vans grew with fucking like, I don't know who it was, like, Salba, I'm sure Double Double D Duncan was there and Cavalera was like, these guys are in their 50s. And but they go down. And they they, they say, represent a such a kind of important era in skateboarding, you know, and people recognize that and the customers who say recognize that years later when they're like, oh, that's sick that that guy's still doing that. And, you know, are they the best dudes? Are they relevant right now? No, they're not the best right now. They're not. It's, again, long term relevancy really need to work on that one, you fucking idiots. And by idiots, I mean, everyone involved in the snowboard industry. You know, like a typical snowboard or fashion never get kid kaaboo from Japan. I love to get cars fucking smuggling we too. But that's another story. But say, back in the DNA days, I'm trying to remember what year two it was an Olympic year so it must have been what 2016 I think. Anyway, yeah, but two was an Olympic year. I don't know. I'm usually good with my ears Bay was at one point this kid had like seven or eight covers at the same time. You know, like snowboarder you know, whatever ones were in I don't know when who died what they all sucked. Every one of them people that worked for them for fucking they contributed to this whole thing. But it it's a They just remember they all had so many cover shots of this kid. And it's not like it was like the Ingmar moment. You know, when he really that one shot of Emaar broke the barriers and kaaboo was fucking gnarly. He's super gnarly, nothing you can say about that kid's riding. But, you know, it wasn't. It wasn't a turning point in the history timeline of snowboarding in that moment, you know, it was just like, whatever shot it was, like, one might be a method area one might be whatever, you know, like he was a fucking good, right, unless he doesn't deserve it. But there should be a governor, you know, like, in place like, you don't just fucking you know, just bleed out in one place. Yeah, you want to nickel and dime, like poke that shit along. So that kid could, you know, provide many years of say covers Yeah, you can like spread that out over four years and all the different magazines and he probably would have had a better and bigger career and wouldn't need it to fucking to smuggle weed or whatever. You know, it's just like the it's like they just you know, holding one baby Jesus and looking at it like, oh my god, you do the best switchbacks let lipslide you're amazing. But the second another baby Jesus does. Yeah, switch Backside Lipslide fucking river off that fucking thing. He just dropped that fucking baby where it is. No one ever asks about it again. They just move on to the next baby Jesus. And it's like, the never, never ending search for baby Jesus. And you know, if you if he you know, just kill off the bait, you're not even killing them off. They just die slowly. It's like all these really good snowboarders still, snowboard really good. Some dude that got blown up, say, eight years ago, you know when he's 20 or 19? Yeah, he's only fucking 27 Now or 28 or something? That guy is really fucking good. Right now. People don't even kind of get into their peak years until 2008. Yeah, you might. You have stupid balls when you're young. Because you want to make you want to be seen you want to fucking you know, make it but you have you're smarter at 20 even 30 to look at, you know, I've been saying this for decades, right? And then everyone's like, no, it's a young man named Shaun White walks in and just owns the Olympics at 32. Probably straight off the fucking couch for a couple months to he's that much better. You know? It's yeah, he's another. What do you call it? He's another child of the sport. He's, he's born of the sport and is certain point the sport didn't like what, you know, uh, he sassed off back to the sport. So you guys created him? 100%. And then you guys just drop them because oh, he's not writing for for this company. Like, dude, that guy entered a a tax bracket of which, you know, most most of you never will. I may never, I'm just saying he is you know, just hit with decisions and hanging out with people. You can imagine you know it at any point success when you're good at something, you tend socially and kind of like professionally not say, travel vertically in your, in your realm anymore. Like in the snowboarding world, you start to travel horizontally, like, Oh, that guy's cool. I get along with him. And, oh, he happens to be in the biggest band in the world. Oh, this guy's cool. He's the best skier, you know, like he start hanging out with other people that are successful at what they do. And, you know, it's like, if maybe if Shawn had better guidance from this industry you know, and the journalists and people that work for these fucking magazines weren't just fans of it themselves. And I get that that's pure. But you know, when you're doing some interview with some dude, and you know, like, what's your favorite color? Red? Oh, me too. It's like that's not you know? Yeah, that's a whole nother topic about the magazines. It's like a mirrored decades ago, myself and others telling these days magazine just like, Dude, you're like just kind of fading things out. You're making it just this mono track of this and you're aiming the magazine just for fucking teenagers and well, that you were done. That's the only people buying them and say, No, not at all. Not only that, but like at that point, the whole demographic demographic of snowboarders had changed. Like we're all in our mid 20s now and, and you know, they still wanted it so much to be a youth sport and any a marketing guy or magazine guy that is pushing for the whole very youth generated side of a sport. They they typically want somebody above them, I either boss to think that they have their finger on the pulse of the youth thing, you know, because if it's like, hey, you know, we've been wrong for a minute, somebody smokes the numbers and a snowboard is 28 Now, they're no longer is valuable, you know, to that company or two things because it's like the the coveted youth dollar. But when it's non existent when those youth don't even spend money or don't even exist, like like in kite surfing, kite surfing is doing the same thing that snowboarding. Did you know they just for years marketed it to this, you know, just it's it kids and and it wasn't it? And anybody that was out snowboarding clearly saw that. And maybe if you only live in Southern California went up to Big Bear on weekends or to events on weekends. Yeah, you might see this younger side and also this elitist side of younger kids who could, yeah, go ride in the perfect pipe and train in it. And, you know, just start to shift to start to turn this corner. All the while still running, you know, on, let's say, yeah, all the while still running on my my credit card thing I signed off on years ago. It's almost like I fucking, I was in a bar in 92. And there are a bunch of cool surfers and skater friends of mine in there. And all my snowboarder friends weren't quite old enough yet. So I went to the back door just kick the back door open to let a few of them in. But that backdoors actually just been fucking wide open for 35 years now and they've just completely infiltrated this bar. And you know, it's like at a bar when you see someone this kind of like underage or question. Well, you don't say anything. You're not like get that minor out. Here's kind of like, Wow, that's crazy. That's how the surfers and skaters felt like with all these snowboarders in their bar, and they eventually just kind of took it over and it's like they still don't get it and they're like, what happened? Why don't we have any fucking you know, just big dumb fucking Huey dito boom. But anyways, let's say my friend James thought of this for me to kind of dub these rants I've been talking to him for a while about like where I should start how I should and he's just like dude, and this is what this is this is installment one of and I may change the name a little bit a word or two but basically my crank was hate mail to snowboarding that's that was episode one round one. And also do a bunch of hate mail episodes on on bindings in particular that's gonna fucking come out you know, the most undeveloped part of the entire like say hard good side of our sport. The binding that stayed the same since like 86 I think. Yeah, like back then you had three main features were no high back and two straps. And that's what you got today. Yeah, they don't make you Yeah, nothing's gonna make something feel Skatey you can't feel Skatey it's just not a thing. Okay, if you want to feel your board and feel like you have better control of the board or can manipulate better if your feet are as close to or on the board that's that's the thing but the yeah I had they make they make it Skatey kind of loose the fucking target fucking cute well, I'll be back hopefully someone will be but either way I'm not Yeah, I had a bet in the family farm on on my whole podcasting I'm just putting them out to put them out because all those goddamn need to get a goddamn duck so far up the only show anymore. Okay, I'm just having fun with my little beat thing. I got some other ones on here to check it out. Pretend I just said a joke pretty tech. Well, fuck all you i i hope you hate me and and and I hate you the same. There's just too much like friends in love and snowboarding there needs me to get our hate on Anita. You know what made it cool in the early 90s to we all had a unified enemy and that was just skiers. They're just like, I mean if you knew what Like the level which they fought with is on, and then years later turn around and just walk down, you know, the snowboarding side kind of like features which made it cool. They looked at that like a salad bar, like, oh, we'll take the baggy pants, we'll take some of it, we'll take the goggles pulled down low with all these things SKUs never would have ever could have figured out on their own. I mean, they would have been stuck to a helicopter flat 360s for millennia. If you know Peter line hadn't come along and fucking corked his spins, I guess for a lot of sports, but you know, like skiing in particular. I always think they had 100 years to figure shit out. Why is it all of a sudden like, you know, exciting now why did they figure out ski skis are wide, wider should be wider with more cycles. It took snowboarders to point that out you guys would not have figured it out because you would have already vast is my take okay? Don't blow it. As I say to my kids every night when they go to bed every morning they wake up Don't fucking blow it. Okay, later Okay, I'll end it with some turret see metal pipe rendition that say Jamie my myself Jamie Lynn you know to be cold make sure people are clear on that. He's singing on rhythm guitar. I don't think he's ever heard this. And then his friend or my friend to Gianni is on drums and this is probably from I don't know oh five of think and we're covering a turbo and ego song called self destruct or bust and here it goes I'd like to take one second I didn't think this is renowned like shit that's me on the guitar by the way on I think is the first time Jamie ever saying so we heavily filtered it and he was very self conscious of it you can't hear it that well in the midst but whatever and Johnny's fucking wailing on the drums he's yeah Back then why record is like yes okay probably never listened to it for 1520 years now I hear it I'm sick because at least I got a delay on there to retire slide Senator Gregg Sick Okay, that was a like I said metal pipe, line up myself on lead Jamie Lynn on rhythm and and vocals and John Long as Italian last name on drums and it was at Johnny's house I remember. And then, yeah, the funny one about we did two or three versions of this, you know, the same song. And I had a mic, you know, just whatever my computer may even my iPod at the time. But when I was backstage at one of the turbo negros shows in, I forgot, oh, 605 it was probably a year after I recorded it ish. Happy Tom had something on my computer, I forgot why he was on my computer. It was kind of like, an hour before they went on. And they're running around backstage, he was probably put on makeup. Maybe he wanted to listen to something, or whatever. I forgot what it was. But he ends up on my computer and finds these versions of self destructing bus. And so he walks in the room. And he's like, get like, I hear him getting like, and I'm like, what not, you know, come from wherever the free beers were whatever. And, you know, come over there. And it's the whole band, like in the room, like, you know, you're Oh, boy. Half the time. I just have Yeah, the whole gang, Hank. And he's like, Oh, Mike. Yeah. went ahead and recorded some versions of our songs. And he's got them right here. And I'm gonna play yeah, like, and I was just like, Are you fucking kidding me? And I just had to sit there and endure. And that's maybe why I didn't think it was that good at the time, because I just put it up. Compared to the original version. It's crap. So why Listen to me now again, I'm like, fuck that. But I can remember your oh boy afterwards canoe, like, oh, yeah, the one in that part of the lead or like just something particular. And, and then, you know, I learned that little part and then I could do that later. But it was just funny having this kind of like, buried cover song of a band that you really respect and actually hang out with, and then just have having them critique your version of it sitting down and they were like in in makeup, you know, they're ready to go on. So it was like, extra like just fucking I was saying intimidating, but it was there's some extra juice to it. But anywho that's my little bonus turbo Negro story to our cover song of turbo Negro self destructor bus. And remember, don't blow it. Alright, later.