Rad Matters hosted by Mike Ranquet

Hate Mail to Snowboarding Part 2 w/Pat Abramson

January 11, 2022 Mike Ranquet Episode 13
Rad Matters hosted by Mike Ranquet
Hate Mail to Snowboarding Part 2 w/Pat Abramson
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RM013 Call me crazy, but you’d  have to be blind to not see that we’ve been played by skiing/skiers and the fanboys parading as sports journalists isn’t helping. To act as though snowboarding is a youth market for the last 20+ years while giving away our language and culture is embarrassing. When you don’t work for something yourself, you don’t think twice about giving it away. Entitled and ungrateful come to mind. Telos Snowboards
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Mike Ranquet 0:05
Hey, what's up? It’s the Rad Matters podcast Hosted by Mike Ranquet  That's me and yep, that's some intro music there. That's my my one man band for about 15 years ago. Pretty much it was me and a drum machine and at one point I think I had a drummer but those guy's are fuckin dork sso I got a machine  most guitarist who would have been easily placed by drummers or I mean by machines if if you know we were fucking doors but so far we're pretty fucking cool and no one's even attempted to make like a guitar machine so it's cool. couple more seconds crea creeper we smoke okay anywho so we're back I'm a I'm a funny motherfucker in case you guys haven't, you know, picked up on that one. One of the, you know, trademarks of Rad Matters Podcast or mantras is a unwavering wit. That's that's me fucking No. So, speaking of unwavering wit, I'd like to explore the the world of skiing. I mean, even that name is dorky ski skiing, skiing. I'm skiing high. It's like you know, it's yes, like having the word how to describe your whole fucking sport just sounds like a novelty or like a novelization of you know, a word that maybe meant something once but whatever. Yeah, I don't mean to pick on see I do. But um, yeah, no, I watched to do tour. I mean, not the whole fucking thing. I didn't like him. Tape it, or, you know and tapes, but I just wouldn't watch a came up my fucking algorithm. Okay. And so I let her rip. And it was like one of the super long you know, pre recorded I didn't watch that shit lie. That's fucking losers. And, you know, everyone's who I would like, I skipped over a bunch shit. And then at one point, I just let it run when it's us obscures as thought you know, any little fucking entertainment just put my feet up and fucking laugh at immutable differences. Just idiots. So not thinking it would be that good either. Boy, was I fucking wrong. Uh, those guys are on the on the next level of like, it's it's so weird. You know, I've been thinking about it. You know? What, what does this matter? What do you what do you trick names are what is what you call something in a sport that doesn't matter. Too much unless you like, you care about the sport and you know, how its portrayed and how it would he call it? You know, it's a total output to the outside world, you know? And it's like, does it respect itself like skateboarding? To me it's just a self respecting self reliant and self sustainable sport. And you know, one of the reasons is they they don't put up with shit they don't put up with fucking doors they don't put up with just gay shit in their sport. And you know, they you know, I don't know how to explain it because when you when you have to explain something like this to a lot of people that like, kind of see my point but don't really understand. It's like, I'm talking to people that don't really love the sport of which they're, you know, listening to a goddamn podcasts on them some 50 year old man sitting I don't know, sometimes in a car sometimes. Yeah, no matter what when I'm doing this podcast, I'm always naked. Just say no. But anywho Yeah, the whole skiing thing you know, for starters, like how they just I don't know how they just latched on to us, like, you know, oh, four or something. You know, they just kind of went down the old snowboarding wish list like it was like some court sort of fucking Salad bar for them. They're like, yeah, we'll take. We'll take the baggy pants. We'll take, you know, 14 year old boys think they're gangsters. Well, yeah, we'll take that. Because that brings in the youth dollar, the marketing dollar and that demographic and we'll take that we'll take this, you know, the misappropriated and Miss misuse skateboard names through snowboarding. So it's like, twice removed. We'll take that we'll take all those. We'll keep our poles but you know what I mean, they just went down this fucking list. And, you know, they all the while I feel like you know, somewhere in Oh 203 or four, there was some roundtable meeting they all the ski brands were like, we're fucked. We can't out cool the shit for fucking decades. What do we can do? Farm the next crew. So they did. And so here we are. 2021 and, you know, this just really took full effect say 2012 2013 I think is when the the scales are tipped. But like, you know, people were like, you know, oh, what why do you hate us here? Why do you is I don't hate on spheres. I think, you know, individually, they're okay. But I probably hate on snowboarders more. And that's just because like I said, like, like skaters. Okay, just I don't know, I always come back to this. But you know what, the whole fucking sports predicated on it. So shut the fuck up, bitch. That's why so like, was skaters is like, you know, they occupied the same space, as he's fucking his fruit boots. Right. You know, it's kind of like the ski areas. And the we call it scary skiers and dealing with snowboarders coming in, skaters had to do the same thing. And they at first were a lot cooler than this. The skiers were to the snowboarders skiers, I mean, the skiers to the Blazers, they didn't like them, they let them know that but they weren't like snobby about it, they didn't try to like, you know, just, I don't know, just kind of stupid. But anywho I'm sure you know, any number of those, you know, fruit burgers back in the day, would have given you know, their, you know, their left nut for, for access to the, the, you know, the words that describe skateboarding, and its tricks, the skateboard trick names. You know, you never hear like, you know, a fruit butter going like saying frontside or backside, or disaster or maybe they might even use disaster. I mean, it's such wrongly used and, you know, skateboarding they've like, by default and inadvertently designed the best kind of like, kind of networking of names. It's like somebody plotted it out, but they really didn't. And it's, it's, it's interesting. And so, you know, that was at the base of it predicated off surfing, skateboarding took things to the next level, snowboarding came along, which was predicated off skating, they took things to the next level. And it just the trick technology, you could call it just kind of leap frogs each other sometimes, skating's adding it sometimes surfing is you know, like, it just goes back and forth. And it will for you know, millennia. Just so happens right now as a first time. The surfers they've always had this like, you know, upper hand royal we were first thing which I fucking respect but they're not in the lead on this game anymore. And I don't think they like being behind to sports that they didn't at all create but they certainly 110% inspired in every way shape or form. What do you call it? So just a trick name. So I'm just watching the skiers and I'm like, what a bunch of fucking losers. I wish they'd all just go blow their heads off, you know, whatever. But yeah, that's not gonna happen. And yeah, I can dream. So I'm watching it and you know, of all things. It's fucking girl so special, like, you know, bunch of Oh, no fucking chicks on skis. No, it's like the the lack of style in girls street style ski or whatever the fuck is called. Is is so laughable. It's like, you know, seeing the girls can spin and do stuff. They don't like do little pre setups. They just do everything like Like fucking like Raggedy Ann and Andy just kind of like arm straight out and legs locked and they just kind of like lock into position every time and be weird way to fucking live but anyways you know the names I mean for starters I remember this specific one it was like the girl came up she you know let's say you're you're going straight at the rail the rails right in front of you see move over to the right a little bit man if your foot you ollie up into a friend lipslide pretty basic shit but if you're skiing you just go into the left or the right of the fucking thing there's no like to imply press enter back said not onlyjust confuses whole thing butt then can in turn just make you know our first time back said seem retarded because a snowboarder, snowboarders don't they don't fucking care they don't they just let us hear his take the names and all their styles. Skateboarding never would have fucking done that surfing never to just let another sport in and just kind of taken everything and just Well, they certainly skating you know, they certainly didn't they if rollerblading was like a dude, that dude goes fucking ass kicks so hard about 2005 or so. You know, in that, you know, skateboarding basically single handedly took that sport down out of a fuck you, you can come ride our parks, the ones that we fought for, for 1520 years. And you know, before that even it was like 15 years of red tapes of fuck you get the fuck out of here. Go get a ride home with your mom, I don't give a shit. And you know, so that was the death of the fruit brewers. I mean, it was you know, it's a it's not a matter of, that's my opinion. That's like, you know, you can look at it. You can look at the numbers and the years and you know, it's all numbers. But anywho skating, if you know if rollerblading had tried to take Yeah, just kind of like, bit off the style that hard. Especially, let's say rollerbladers for first the fucking Parks was filled with fruit booters. And we had to, you know, kind of, like sneak our way in, we finally get in. And then their tree, it's like, for, you know, skiing. It's like they just, you know, shunned us, push us away, push us away. And then finally, it's like, they bring us all the way and so they can fucking just, you know, inhale all our fucking good energy that we brought into the whole winter fucking world, of which there was none. It was dead in the water skiers at the point in 8485. When you know snowboarding was kind of like coming onto the scene when I started and stuff. Like the ski was they were in the midst of ski ballet ballet motherfuckers bow fucking lay Okay, you want to talk about fucking like just retarded? Let's let's do you know ballroom dancing snowboarding? Like just along the flat and do all these fucking weird moves. And yeah, it just it just invited, you know, like a mind to come in on skis and be this ski ballet mind, dude. I mean, that's just that's just where it was going. Because like when when there's no sense of like people caring for the sport or really a soul of the sport or a direction I mean, these motherfuckers can't even figure out Why'd skis by you know, took snowboarding to come along for them to figure out to make water seats. That's how I know they're they're you know kind of stupid to the point of they can probably get you know assistance from the state you know, they can prove that shit on paper because that's a really really stupid oversight you know? Now we're just gonna ride these fucking super long sees it just sinking powder so we can't move I mean super long skinny no side cut like what the fuck um so that's just yeah a couple other things where I'm just like oh yeah that's right that's why Yeah, that's why we I can never trust them to take my garbage out. And when I say they I'm talking about as a whole I got all sorts of fucking buddies to see and shit and they can't get beyond this with me. Well then fucky too. But yeah, getting back to it just the the raping of the names of things and people might say I was just kind of reading stuff online after I saw that. I was like, What the fuck was Why the fuck are they even saying back senator for so that's the dumbest thing. So kind of Google it brought something up most posts were, you know in the last like, say a year and especially around that event there was a bunch of little side Reddit sidebar things and I was bored today it was raining. So this is looking at this shit. And you know some of the stuff from a long time ago just says it all. Like it's it's just it says exactly what I've thought for years is the main reasoning behind why skiers would he call it, why they use our names why and the same, same kind of reason is why kite surfing does it too. It's it's not that they want to be associated with with, you know, skateboarding or in this case snowboarding they don't even tie it all the way back to skateboarding, which is, you know, just another level of retardation of which they could probably just get more assistance from the state. So I'm just looking for this thing this my buddy, fuck. Okay, so these are a couple quotes from this this blog online and see they're talking about like, frontside and backside. And like, basically, yeah, you know, it's like, let's just, it's ours to use how should we use it? And then one guy is like, saying, because you guys said Why the fuck are we saying back to the front side? And guys like you right? It doesn't make sense with skiing. But I love saying it. You see I threw that switch backside three over that table. Sounds so good. I think for inside should equal normal and backside Blindside. Okay, thanks. Roughriders 69 You're fucking cute. And then the next one. The next one says exactly what I've maybe by copying the names of of their tricks. All the snowboarders won't know we're faggots. I love that one. And that was from? Uh, I don't know, I don't even know the fucking name of his house. I can't see anymore. Um, no, it's just kind of like that. But that one line is like, you're right. Does it make sense? We're seeing it all. But I love saying it. You see, I threw that switchbacks a three. Oh, it's a they want. They've heard skaters say things like a switch backside. Or, you know, who's that? Is that a front? You know, was that a switch frontside five or cab five. There's a pretty much a big difference. And these guys just throw those words around willy nilly. You know, just like yeah, I was cab bucking switch cab, I did a switch cab Nolleke. And, you know, it's like, snowboarders. Like it's like a spoiled kid with toys. They have a bunch of toys. And they were just given all these toys didn't work for any of them. Not like a little kids work for toys, but go with it here. No orders. They they didn't come up with really the whole, you know, schematic, laid out name thing for any of their tricks. They've just constantly, you know, say emulated skateboard. I know I did. And I know I still do. And that's where a lot of that came from, uh, nowadays, I don't know what the fuck you guys are thinking. But I do know that you just let a whole kind of like a language that belongs to three just a whole nother sport and sports all together. Just kind of like it another offshoot was skiing just to make it that much more confusing. For you know, for like surfer surfers can't fucking figure this shit out. Like he's insane. Like, they can't differentiate between doing a fly out at the end of the wave and re entering. You know, if you're doing say, you know, go go blue backside 540 on the wave, though, like break it down to like, three that was a four fucking like, 496 That's that wasn't a 540 but then, you know, claim 720 off the off the end of the stick. I always explained to surfers like you know, when you see little kids in skate park, you know, week two, they can do their fly outs at the end of the bowl, like three feet high. Now, there's a big difference between that fly out and re entering in back into the bowl. That's where the surfers are, even though they've had decades. It's not like these tricks haven't been around since like, damn near 70s But whatever. You know if you know as far as the trick tech train their last that's cool. Yeah, we've everything's predicated on them they can get in the back of the train flow and like then I'm sure Kai Lenny will fucking bring it back to another level of which we're all begging just for eye contact. No The I don't even know what words and they're just like so smug about it you know like the every like you know all these like snowboarders they're always at these parks and hanging out with these here's correct them start now start tomorrow if you care about your sport if you care about snowboarding really love it then care about the culture of it and how we we frame things and how we talk and don't let this other sport just like take that away too we've kind of adopted and then built into our own and of which is part of this other kind of language family let just kind of sound like protect it now like we got a fight over it. I'm not losing sleep over this shit. But you know, again, the skaters never would have let that happen with rollerblading. If they just started using skate terminology, they just would have it maybe they even tried just got beat down so hard so fast that they you know, it was never brought up again. And it's like, just start clowning the skiers like, like what the fuck he's hiring. You don't do Lipsyte? 50 What the fuck are you talking about? I mean, you know, snowboarding is a big you know, emulation of this other sport and all this stuff was skiing. It's like complete make believe like, Oh, hello, King George. Would you like some tea? You know, it's like, really? You're going for us on that. Okay. Okay, now, but you're going backside on the house and fucking pride protect your shit. It's not you know, like soteria he took some lumps for the team, he fucking forfeited you know, basically millions and millions of dollars to this day, when he you know boycotted the 98 Olympics. I mean, that that would have set him up for life in Norway. And yeah, and I'm always gonna bring up Terry by the way every fucking time. And you know what, I'm kicking your teeth into the curb over this shit one day, for you lazy fuckers, and just Upper East Coast dudes that have taken over our sport, all of whom are most of whom started this sport is like, racers and work part of say the revolutionary part of the sport. That in turn, turned the whole thing around and made it fucking cool. Now you guys are on the other side of the history. And I'm talking about like, a lot of guys say run work for and again, I do say magazines. I just mean median. Yeah, you could say, yeah, there's no even room. But it is there are 323 or four main kind of media yet. I know where they live on other dresses. I don't know who they are, but they're out there. You were talking to the writers here just trying to make a bunch of shit to break those guys. You know, like, just make some fun shit. Like, you know, like, crushed it with the holy bully or whatever. And that that that was sick because it was multi generational, I could go there and, and riff around with a Patmore I could rip around with whoever and just hit all the same jobs. So we're doing different things. We have different lines, but nothing so intimidating that like I wouldn't even you know, send my enemy off the end of it. Which was basically that super park and I never liked that idea. I just thought it was dumb. Because why do you need a super park when you just, you know, turn around. Look up into the fucking mountains and you know, get your fucking head out of the parking lot. And go ride mountains. There's so much fucking endless terrain. Yeah, so I've always scoffed at building jumps. It's super Park and rails, like rails and snowboarding. Like when do they make sense? You know? I've never I know say in a helicopter flying over gnarly terrain everywhere and just meant to do check out that fucking rail over there. Oh my god. It's a first first ascent rail bro. What do you name it fucking gnarly. It's not just like we make some cool skating is it's just a natural part of their very unnatural environment. And we I'm I'm more of a vert skater. So it's not my bag, but I get it. But snowboarding. I don't get it. wakeboarding. kiteboarding like guys are fucking idiots fan. Like is so many times removed and watered down by that point. And there's this useful Fucking super safe plastic boxes might as well have like, you know, just big fucking like Michelin Man outfits on so you can't like just bouncing over everything it's like certain things I was just seemed silly or stupid to me like, for example doing a kickflip on a surfboard who fucking cares? Is it possible? Yeah yeah, if you search on the internet hard enough salsa possible to find videos of people eating dog shit to people do weird things so whatever but okay so kickflip on a surfboard just dumb don't even like huh what? Huh? Again possible? Yes. Would it be hard? Yes would it take a million tries? Yes. Does that make it cool? Fuck now another one of those and that's up there to me with doing handrails on a snowboard when do you ever use your hand on those rails like saying parks say I don't think they've ever actually been used as a handrail Yeah, it's not like anybody's walking up the snow Park. As I cool. My My knees are a little sore but good thing there's that handrail on that section of doesn't even have a stairs. I mean, what the fuck? That's an oddity. Same with like kiting or the dumbest of law what is head fuckin waterskiing or fucking wakeboarding? Whatever the fuck they call it. That one. It's so far removed, as like, the more people or the people in the sport are removed from skateboarding. The more exaggerated version to actually look like skateboarders. I say, the further you get away from like, say northern snowy Europe. The more exaggerated Christmas stuff is. It's kind of like the way skier kind of kids are just super skater looking snowboarders. I mean, it's ridiculous dude. And they're so far from it. When they're at school during the week, they're like, you know, wearing, wearing Dockers kid's version of Dockers were whatever a ski nerd would look like. 10 1214 That's what they all look like, until they get up to the mountain and they're able to just get into it do their live action. Roleplay I like to use that term that there's up there. LARPing even the skiers or Patay said this last night too is pretty funny because I've been chewing on it. And I actually mentioned earlier but like say, you know when I was younger when I was snowboarding, say making up tricks or learning tricks. All the stuff. And same with today. And same with Pat. He said the same thing. I'm almost at all times, emulating skateboarding. Thinking of all if I was skating, I could. And we were in different ways. We've been asking kind of like well, what do the guys today? What does a skier emulate? Let's say I did get into rails back then. I would have been emulating fucking Pat Duffy. Hello. Back lipping the rain. So in my head, I'd been like, a fucking sick fucking Pat Duffy crack. You know, that's what I've been emulating, say. You know, even a young snowboarder that doesn't know all that history because they're so fucking stupid. But, you know, they don't know. Maybe they're not emulating Pat Duffy, maybe fucking JP Walker was it but he was emulating some skater of some kind. You know he was in but what are the skiers fucking emulate what was in their head? Was it like fucking? Yeah, they just picture like fucking Peppa Pig On ski suna back, whatever they think lipslide is, yeah, I mean, they just have to make something up like that, like some cartoon character some, like the sweetest chef. I'm just gonna emulate what I think the Swedish Chef would look like if he did it. I mean, you might as well because it's all just give me make believe dogshit but it's a skewers I mean, that's like that's yeah, it's, they're so ridiculous how I mean, what I've realized, say the stuff with Pat a. That is on this episode I recorded and the little prelude before this with the intro. Probably 10 days ago now a week ago. And what to Baker came back. And I've just had a lot of time to think about what I was certainly hit off on what I've thought for, or thought about a long time but never, never did a deep dive right? It's okay, let's just put it this way. Let's break. Okay, there's easiest way to put it. If skiing was a dude. And snowboarding was a dude. The dude that snowboarding could easily without without question. Sue the dude that is skiing for identity theft. I mean, they've taken fucking everything from psych wouldn't you hear about like say, you know, people who you know, they get they get hit by some robbers at their house like four times or something? Yeah, they're coming back like the rubber seal all these electronics and like the fourth time they're just going back for like, the manuals for all the new shit they have. You know, they're just fucking it's it's so it's so ridiculous. How hard they plagiarize everything about somebody. Yeah, they're kind of like the they've hit us so many times and we don't seem to fucking mind is it they just come back? rifling through our drawers in our in our kitchen of of snowboarding or whatever I'm trying to say. They're just you rifling through looking for some small screw that goes on the the $50,000 art piece they took the week before that we haven't noticed yet. Okay, so the way skiing is just drag bit snowboarding so hard. Now let's just like if you know rollerbladers ever did that they just wouldn't fucking happen. It's like It's like it wouldn't happen to the degree that is never even been discussed. Like, you know, we can't let rollerbladers we can't because all skaters like real skaters they just know like they're down for the sport of skateboarding more than they are. themselves. Period. And the one the big tell tell all giveaway me in all this dog shit the thing that's got me all fired up to talk all this dog shit. Is the media dudes maybe not Burton? Maybe not Oakley maybe they had their reasons for dropping Terry. I don't fucking know. Maybe he didn't flush when he went to the bathroom there. But the the media guys they should have been the voices of reason. Now if they cared so much about the sport like Stan and Pat bridges all these fucking dorks Kooks say, you know how much they care about somebody and it's every they all would have stepped in and said, Hey, this has gone too far. Burden being dropped. I don't know. That's, that's your fucking deal. Maybe 32 years is a long run. Whatever. It's gone too far, guys. Terry isn't a bigot. We all know that. And not only that, but we've all said the same shit. That he's saying we're just letting him go down. And so if they they're more concerned about the PVR like, say people Burton not advertising or not, it's like, they're so full of shit. The guys I just mentioned and that, you know, they're the new magazine now. They're always it's like in what's their credibility? They just love snowboarding so much. In fuckin Yeah, you know, um, put yourself in my shoes and you might look at yourselves like You guys are fucking Kooks? Who the fuck are you? Where do you come from? When you go back, um, all take this sport back by force if I have to you fucking idiots. So what were you just saying?

Pat Abramson 35:17
No, I'm just saying like I've said this to other people. What if a rollerblade company tried to start a skateboard company? It would never work.

Mike Ranquet 35:25
It just wouldn't maybe it'd be like, it'd be so frowned clown. I mean, you know, even Nike before their last, you know? What do you call it? Kind of interaction with skateboarding that finally clicked. They tried several times before they told him to fucking beat it. They told Nike to beat it, you know, just skateboarding? Yeah. Porter's, so it's like, Yeah, fucking club, they, they would have fucking shut down. A rollerblade company for sure.

Pat Abramson 35:57
But like, there's a classic example. Nike tried several times, they probably have to remember adver been shut down from a sport ever. And they got shut down

Mike Ranquet 36:10
to your out hard,

Pat Abramson 36:11
we don't want you and they're just probably scratching their heads go wait a minute. There has not been one sport we haven't dominated. And somehow we got punted out of skateboarding. And then they did it again and got excited again. It's like, they, you know, they just learn that there's a sport to say just Well, they probably had to go hire a bunch of people to figure out

Mike Ranquet 36:33
Yeah, they did. It was like their approach. You know, it's like, it was like they can't came through the gate of skateboarding and they just got denied, but they weren't told why they're denied. And they came back couple months later, you know, try to go into like, god damn it, you know, probably put a sombrero on a fake fucking mustache and tried to sneak in.

Pat Abramson 36:54
You know, they spent so much money there at first, like, yeah, skateboarding we got this was just,

Mike Ranquet 37:00
they had this shoe company called like saber or Sabin, like it was said more. But like the shoe, the shoes and bags were so highly technical. Like it was insane. Like their bags for some reason. I got hooked up with a big box of them one time and like their shit was So quality is insane, dude.

Pat Abramson 37:22
Oh, yeah, for sure.

Mike Ranquet 37:24
But you know, you could

Pat Abramson 37:26
definitely ACG though, there, ACG? Their first first attempt at snowboarding didn't really fly. It was like, that didn't work. And you know, I'll give that to snowboarding. They rejected ACG

Mike Ranquet 37:41
who's ACG? I just said I know but I don't

Pat Abramson 37:45
know ACG was no.

Mike Ranquet 37:47
Okay. I didn't know that. I just said that. No, no, no, I didn't.

Pat Abramson 37:52
Well, it was that that it came in and it was gone.

Mike Ranquet 37:57
Yeah. Um,

Pat Abramson 37:59
and, and so I'll get give that to snowboarding. But yeah, but skateboarding totally different. And that's, that's the thing that I say about like snowboarding. Like, there's a bunch of ski companies that make snowboard the second they lose their top rider or the popular rider. And it's over. It's over. They're not cool. They're back to see

Mike Ranquet 38:20
like what brand like our brand falls into this. No one listens to these podcasts. So don't worry about it. I mean, no like, like

Pat Abramson 38:33
a classic one, either on a nail. Yeah, no, it was Elon backward nail went real far.

Mike Ranquet 38:44
Yeah, just went backwards. What Elon backwards

Pat Abramson 38:48
is now

Mike Ranquet 38:50
yeah, just saying that the what he called the direction of the brand went Elon backwards. And Elon was in that forward to begin with. So

Pat Abramson 39:01
for like, I don't know, there's other ski company. Well, Roger, no, I mean, how cool are those guys? Awesome. They're like killing it. Not Robbie.

Mike Ranquet 39:10
Yeah. Or Solomon. Yeah, they they're they're killing it huh. Apparently they have really good boots. Like people say that they have really good wet boots.

Pat Abramson 39:23
They make really good

Mike Ranquet 39:27
the world can't be too hard because the entire like boot market and snowboarding is just a bunch of dog shit anyways. Yeah, they just

Pat Abramson 39:37
Nike boots though, are the best that and i i finally got on a pair of those. And I will never ride anything else. They do make the best.

Mike Ranquet 39:47
That's it. They don't want to get a pair now.

Pat Abramson 39:50
Obviously, it was it's like getting into like a sofa. Like the

Mike Ranquet 39:55
you know in the Burton Viking came out that's how those were two, you know, like way back in the day. Designed by Terry, Johan, you know, it was like such a dope boot like, fuck, dude. I ran those for years, probably a decade.

Pat Abramson 40:12
Yeah, they mean you got a good bit. I mean, yeah, when you forget about worrying you forget about your feet all day. That's a good day.

Mike Ranquet 40:21
You should have the same liners for over a decade dude, they were so gnarly. We're going to New Zealand when you're there like you know the Dale boot liners basically the liners I used to put my boots way back in the day. Yeah, and I ran them all through the 90s in like, one year I got to New Zealand and I went to put my foot you know, foot in the boot and my boots been sitting in a fucking bag at my house for a long time and I put my foot in the boot and it was just fucking so wet. So not right now get to know these fucking Oh, what do you call it? athlete's foot. Like, like it came up to my knee almost. Athletes. It was like athlete's leg.

Pat Abramson 41:09
Like you actually had to get some cream

Mike Ranquet 41:10
for it. Oh, yeah.

Pat Abramson 41:14
Like in managing your clicking rotting foot.

Mike Ranquet 41:19
Oh, that's nice. Just in a hoisting to sent me a nice message said, people actually want to hear what you have to say. And then you said just not all of it. Fuck you, Joe. Nobody. Yeah, used to saying like, it was like his, his attempt at complimenting me. Maybe? Or, or is making fun of me one of the two. I'm cool. Either way. I like the attention.

Pat Abramson 41:50
I think that was. Yeah. Oh, people actually listen to you. Okay. Wow.

Mike Ranquet 41:57
So do you know we were talking early? And I think we hit it in, um, God, would you say about? Oh, man, you had one line. It's just that whole like, that. The next generation of pros kind of after us it was like, you know, like, if you if you look at music, right? If you look at like, say, mid 70s rock and roll music. Yeah, they're getting to the stage of like, you know, Moody Blues with fucking yo, fucking 72 Bar lead with the back to the crowd. And you know, it was just like, just bloated and big. And then all these punk bands came and fucking mix it up. And, you know, seemingly all those bands hated each other at that time. But like, within a couple years, they were all in intertwining but you know what I mean, they, they just became part of the fabric of rock'n'roll. And that's what it is. And it's like, this snowboarders like the Utah set. They, they didn't, they just took it from there. They didn't want like, any, you know, I think they just looked at the snowboarders before them, and they would, you know, look back at some ad shots, or some ass hat or in a fucking ass hat. And like, yeah, they didn't go Okay, wait, these guys were doing this. They I just feel like they thought they were just so much kind of like, more advanced and they're doing other shit. So they didn't draw, seemingly didn't draw any influences out of, you know, the older pros. And I don't know, I just said, what were you saying earlier?

Pat Abramson 43:40
It Well, you go back to the band thing. I you know, all the punk fans didn't really realize that they thought they got all their shit from all those other bands. Like all your rip, everything came from there. Thank you. Yeah. And they all they actually all acknowledge it. Like when I watched those things,

Mike Ranquet 43:56
no, that's, it's like by eight, by like, 81 all those guys were buddies and in bands together and things were acknowledged. And you know what I mean? Like, they knew that there's, you know, their shit got a little bit bloated. And these guys knew they came in a little bit hot, whatever. But, you know, it just became that the fabric of rock'n'roll. And you know, at that, at that time, it's like the, the contrived urban movement, you know, it wasn't much of a movement really, it was just there was a lot of, you know, media say, focus on that. And it's just because it resembled skateboarding more so than other facets of the sport, you know, but they just went all in on that. Like, as if all other snowboarding didn't really, you know, they didn't just kind of like, Okay, we're gonna bring this in, and we'll still do, you know, fucking uh, what do you call adventure trips or, you know, just editorial like that? Yeah, that was another thing. It's like none of those guys really Have you ever left Utah? You know?

Pat Abramson 45:03
Well, I thought about that after we talked about it. And I was like thinking about how the kind of movement went and, and this is kind of like how I figured how it went. So we were, we were doing rails. And there's a bunch of people. That's how we're doing shit. And then everyone started going to Alaska. Yeah, we, we all failed on that freestyle scene, and we want to ride helicopters. Everyone just moved out

Mike Ranquet 45:25
was because we discovered the Holy Grail. We discovered like, Oh, this is snowboarding by definition like Alaska. Yeah. Because it wasn't seen. It wasn't, you know, we weren't fake skateboarding anymore. It was like its own fucking thing.

Pat Abramson 45:43
No, no. Well, yeah. And that's the other thing. Like I've explained to people, like we went from doing stuff in the areas to life and death, like every day was life and death. It was like the minute you left the helicopter. In fact, the minute you walk to the helicopter, you are in danger of dying. And you go out all day, and you film all day, and you hope you live and you come back. And that was the drive. I mean,

Mike Ranquet 46:09
I do remember Peter line several times, just making this little snidey little comment, though, he does. Just about like, I remember, like, just kind of pressing him like, you know, fuck, you should go on a trip with me or, you know, we should go for the last year or something. And he was just, he would always just be like, just condescending about it. Like, like, I'm gonna go risk my life. You know, tourney is like on a turn. That's the dumbest thing. That's like, but the thing is, is like, um, you know, everybody listened to Pete, you know what I mean? So that was the dumbest thing to him. That was the dumbest thing to all of them. You know? Yeah. And

Pat Abramson 46:49
so what I'm trying to say is like, So Ron Rogers, you know, Nate Cole, everybody that was doing street and freestyle at the time. And then you guys that were already doing that stuff all bailed on that we all went and started doing backcountry. And then the swit like you said, the switch happened, those guys came in, and literally pushed that whole scene out. And yeah,

Mike Ranquet 47:14
like, like, namely the magazines. You know, like, I remember.

Pat Abramson 47:19
Well, it was, I won't blame it on those guys. It they were just doing their thing. But yes, the whole the

Mike Ranquet 47:25
same time. If there is like at the time, they would always say like, I would be like, kind of like, you know, why do you? Why do you? Why do you ain't magazine at kids? Why is it only aimed at fucking 14 year old kids and they be like, Oh, that's, you know, who's buying the magazine? I'm like, No, they're not. You know, like, there's a whole there's other demographics. There's I used to get in arguments with the editors of the magazines, and I just fucking pound him on it. Just be like, Dude, what are you talking about? Like, you got

Pat Abramson 48:02
surfing ever give up on big wave? No, no,

Mike Ranquet 48:07
no, no, it's like, okay, okay, here's a here's a cool, no, no. Okay, so here's the fucking crux, right? I've never seen a shot of say, Peter line or like, see JP Walker. And I'm not bagging on these guys. These guys are fucking rad. They fucking they'd be fun to ride with etc. Piece of fucking one of the best writers of all time, period.

Pat Abramson 48:34
I mean, I've had a mad respect for all. Yeah, if you

Mike Ranquet 48:38
meet except that one, dude. No. No. Was it saying? You've never seen a shot of JP Walker? Doing a heel turn and powder. Or doing a toe turn powder? Doing a powder turn of any kind?

Pat Abramson 48:58
Ever? I bet he can dig. I bet there's one. I bet

Mike Ranquet 49:01
there isn't. And I bet he could fucking turn a snowboard pretty fucking good.

Pat Abramson 49:06
Oh, no. Well, somehow they got to those jumps. They had to ride

Mike Ranquet 49:09
power to get Yeah, yeah, no, it's like,

Pat Abramson 49:13
in fact, maybe people did shoot it. And no, they wouldn't let them publish it. I don't know. But like, who didn't want to do

Mike Ranquet 49:20
like well I remember Pete Peter line. I was somewhere we're all hungover in the morning. We're on a photo shoot or something it was for electric and so we're saying the same place and I was like okay, let's just get up there you know meet brewski or whoever we're shooting with and I just suggested let's just go get some fucking some power a couple powder shots in the tree. So the whole days and just a total waste. You know what I mean? We didn't feel like just you know, we feel like going gnarly and and it was like yeah, let's go get some just some because there was good snow and and he just fucking like just basically dropped what he was doing. He's like I'll never, ever take, you know, just go take photos of a powder turn. That's fucking stupid. Like, he was he had, he was fucking like, start, you know, really opinionated on it and, and I just remember thinking in my head I'm like, wow, that'd be like a fucking Koston or, you know, some gnarly skater going for a year and I know I'm not gonna do France again or Yeah, sir for going, Oh, you want me to do a cut back in that way? And it was like, it was just weird to me in that like he just belittle that kind of idea. Like it's got to be progressive, it's got a push. Not everything has to do that, in fact, you know, you kind of save that for movies and the general output likes to, you know, have ads and editorial stuff from magazines and manufacturers that it's it just was so gnarly, nobody connected to it anymore. Nobody fucking cared.

Pat Abramson 51:06
Well, here's the here's the thing that explained like that era, they did not want any of that as part of their repertoire. So they did not want to do have shot the powder and they hated it hated it.

Mike Ranquet 51:22
Yeah. And I know Pete did I remember taking them to Baker finally? I don't know. Oh, yeah, it was. It was well, after it was well, after peak Pete years, you know, but he was still writing for him. And took him up to Baker. And I remember he said to me, at the end of the day, he's like, I never, he just followed me all the day. And he was just on my head. And so it was like, end of the day. It was like, I never realized how creative you could be out, you know, free writing basically doing that shit. You know, it was a first time. Like, I asked him about it later. He said he didn't remember saying that. But he did. I wouldn't make that up. Maybe I would. But now I really am not in this case. knows it was I'm sure you still have some clear memory. Share what?

Pat Abramson 52:15
I'm sure you still have some clear memory.

Mike Ranquet 52:17
Yeah, couple. A couple. Yeah. Yeah, there's

Pat Abramson 52:20
a few that are like, I didn't dream again. And it's

Mike Ranquet 52:23
typically just one big memory. Like I've done like 6070 trips to Japan. In my head. I've just done one really big one with tons of people. Yeah, no, it's such a trip, dude. Like,

Pat Abramson 52:42
Oh, I gotta say something like I was in. I was at Baker, this would have been like, Goddard's in like, late 90s. And I was with, I won't say the name, but I was with some super rip and freestyle, like, top of the frickin world getting all the video parts. And I was shooting with Sally. And we went to go shoot like a, like, just one of the stupid jobs after the halfpipe. Yeah,

Mike Ranquet 53:07
the Jamie Lynn method or to flat when he There you go. Yeah,

Pat Abramson 53:12
yeah. So we went there to shoot it. And then he you like, he was like, Hey, man, you just say it's like, everyone's got a beard. Everyone's doing all this stuff. He's like, Man, this stuff is not for me. And I was just like, What are you talking about? Like, dude, you can go hit the biggest stuff right now. And he failed and never came back? Yeah. He was just like, I just got my ass serve at Baker in like, couldn't couldn't race couldn't hit a jump. couldn't hit a cliff. Couldn't do a pattern didn't get a shot. And he just the kids never been back. He won't come back. Yeah, you know. And it's like, what? Like, you don't want to ride this area? Like what the hell is wrong with

Mike Ranquet 54:01
well, you know, it's fucking it's it's sad, but interesting to me. And I don't get any satisfaction I was. But just like saying that

Pat Abramson 54:13
fear is all the scarier is that that kid won't ride. Like, he was a top pro for like, on the top video parts. And he was like, Man, I gotta get out of here. It was like what he

Mike Ranquet 54:26
was just say, no, no. I'll tell you later. Oh, you're talking about? I know who you're talking about. Just kidding. I want to fuck Trick Daddy. But you know, there's this whole like, like, like, Pete. I love you. And again, I just want to say that I fucking love Pete But we differed on opinion on on stuff a summary in my head like, back in the day. I thought you know rad you know Someone like Pete kind of picking up where I left off in a sense, you know, and but you know, since a Yeah, they just they just took it to another level and just kept going there. And their output just was just gnarly or gnarlier and then just complete disconnect with the rest of the world. And that was about the same time. Shaun White's bigger, you know, sound bites bigger than Jesus, you know? Yeah, just all this other shit was happening in the sport. And it was like, just, you know, again, like, I always picture that Utah rail scene, kinda like, you know, I'll probably be on a trip with some of those guys in a couple years. You know, like, BJ was the type of dude, you know, a couple years later, he'd be on a trip with other dudes, but like, the other dude seemed like, they just wanted to be in an echo chamber, you know, of what they thought was cool, what they thought was, you know, important, you know what I mean? There was no, they didn't hear any other, any other or value any other opinions, you know? In that kind of, like, it's just kind of set it in stone, you know, I mean, like, I mean, I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what the fuck happened. The other thing that fucking happen. The other thing that happened, I'd say, you know, say culturally snowboarding. It's like, you know, we were at that time, you know, and still are, but, you know, a board sport said, so we're aligned with surfing, and skating. Because I forgot where I was going. I just had a fucking total Asfar. And then I had a brain fart. Oh, what was he saying? Backyard? Yeah, sharted? Oh, no, it's like, no, no, they're skiing side this ski like say the whole idea that like, you know, say, I don't know, somewhere in the early 2000s. I've said this a million times over the decades, like, you know, at some point, there's like, some round table meeting with all the skier in all the ski company heads. And they're just like, you know, Shaun White just won the Olympics, or, you know, Ross powers has won the Olympics or something, and, and they're just like, we can't out cool this, you know, we're fucking done, you know, what are we going to do? And basically, they, they just farmed their next generation of skiers, by putting out tons of every manufacturer had, like, beginner kits for like, 99 bucks, probably didn't even make $1 on those, you know, but they, they fucking, like rethread, their, their, their next customer, you know, they created their next customer, whereas snowboarding was so just fucking enamored with itself, looking in the mirror constantly to stay, you know what I mean? Like, and at the same time, they didn't bother to say, look what's behind them in the mirror, or take their eyes off it and try to look forward and see where they're going. They're just so stoked on the now and then everything. You know, it was like, the, the, the turtle or the hare and the tortoise, you know, all of a sudden, fucking skiing was

Pat Abramson 58:29
big, you know, Drac route it and the nine Yeah,

Mike Ranquet 58:32
this is like, all of a sudden, like skiing was was safe coming back in it was like getting bigger. Not only that, but like, you know, they just went through the snowboard salad bar and just kind of took what they wanted. And they could, you know, that could be advantageous to them, and just left everything else, you know, like you know, okay, we'll take we'll take the big pants, we'll take the this like no other time in the history of the world had like, you know, skier kids looked the way they've looked the last 15 years like they're like these little homie gangster. So it's like, skates. snowboarders. I had to really try hard because they weren't really skaters to, you know, be like skaters. And then the skiers, way more, but it's like, you know, I'm sure at some point, I think he brought this up. The sport of rollerblading, tried to, you know, commandeer a trick Neymar to seeing that, you know, the two sports were like, you know, in parks together all the time, but you never heard a rollerblader go, you know, oh, I'm doing a grind or Yeah, like, just specific skateboarding terminology. Because, yeah, they would get their ass beat and clowned to death. Which eventually happened.

Pat Abramson 59:58
It happened it happened yeah. like some the road I was like, Yeah, dude, I just did a fucking frontside grind, and some gator dude beat the hell out of them. Like, yeah. That day the name of the hurricane. And so, and that's the thing about scenes like, gain can just rename all their tricks all they want, you know, like,

Mike Ranquet 1:00:21
why don't they just rename them shit that they come up with? Like that's that's what I that's where I was like, like you guys are naming it because it's because it sounds cool and it's that

Pat Abramson 1:00:34
you're surfing, surfing had certain airs right? And then that went into skateboarding and then and then snowboarding created their own like

Mike Ranquet 1:00:45
they all leapfrog each other you know cert surfing started that skateboarding came in and took it further. It did airs and

Pat Abramson 1:00:53
a roast beef like no one did a roast beef. I don't think on a skateboard, right. So that I think got created and snowboard.

Mike Ranquet 1:01:00
No, that was a Jamie Grosso trick.

Pat Abramson 1:01:04
He did that. Okay. But there is no boarding grab that we're creating so far. I would have to

Mike Ranquet 1:01:12
say, Well, I mean, the Tindie the tail fish, the fucking you know? What do you mean? Like, okay,

Pat Abramson 1:01:21
the Palmer is the polymer Right? Or? No?

Mike Ranquet 1:01:24
Like the point like the method air? I mean, I mean, like people always, it's like, the polymer. I don't know. I mean, he had, like, back in the day. 8687. He had a glorious fucking method. And

Pat Abramson 1:01:39
the Paul there, right. Yeah. But

Mike Ranquet 1:01:41
like, it was still a method where he just wanted to try to call that specific style. Palmer, which was corny. You know, I thought whatever. What do you mean? Like, what are you saying? Like,

Pat Abramson 1:01:53
is it is there is there a grab in snowboarding that was created by snowboard?

Mike Ranquet 1:01:58
I wouldn't say grab it a style, like the mute scifi. That that was like, oh, Jamie Lynn. And in skateboarders eventually adapted that and did. I remember seeing her soy do on one day? And I was like, wow, it's fucking reached all the way. You know. So I look at like, you know, surfing started and skateboarding, emulated the turns. And then eventually, they went over the lip. And they invented aerials, and started doing that. And then snowboarding came along, took those aerials and just fucking spun them out and did all sorts of crazy shit. And so it's like, you know, the, the sports are just leapfrogging each other as far as like, you know, trick technology, you know? And, like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, and goddamnit.

Pat Abramson 1:02:47
But maybe, maybe it's like the, like I was telling you about the unnatural, like, you don't have a front set or a backside on seeing, like rollerblading created the unnatural, where they would hold their little fingers up, and they were going to spend the unnatural size,

Mike Ranquet 1:03:02
right? What does that mean? Hold their little fingers up.

Pat Abramson 1:03:06
Yeah, no, in rollerblading, they have a thing called the unnatural. So they're their natural side is one spin. And then when they send the unnatural with

Mike Ranquet 1:03:16
this, just left and right.

Pat Abramson 1:03:18
Yeah, I know. But like the, like, backside and the front side, right?

Mike Ranquet 1:03:22
Yeah. Like they needed their own little thing that wasn't left and right. Like what the fuck? Yeah.

Pat Abramson 1:03:30
Yeah, absolutely. For real. So they had this time where they would hold up two fingers. Hopefully, I'm not like making this up right now. But this is for real, they would hold up and sing two fingers at them. And say this is an unnatural fin. And so they spin the other way. And that would be their kind of their frontside backside in rollerblades. And so they would say like, Hey,

Mike Ranquet 1:03:56
left and right. facing forward can't even like wrap my head around like that. You know,

Pat Abramson 1:04:08
it is absolutely for real. I think you can Google it. It's for real,

Mike Ranquet 1:04:12
like just the way the skiers in the in this you know, I end up what watch a part of the do tour and on the backside, well, whatever. It's just it just doesn't apply. I don't like what I'm seeing is like the fucking just like they're like, Oh, she did a a first frontside lipslide. And like, even Oh, she hit the coping at the end call it coping called what was on the rail, coping. And it's like, the rail is so big and round, you know, he could never, I mean, your edge isn't gonna catch, you know, it's like,

Pat Abramson 1:04:51
on your on your seven foot key. You're gonna hit something.

Mike Ranquet 1:04:55
Yeah, yeah. And it's just like it's like that. That's why I fucking, I will hate skiing for like millennia because it just annoys me. They're not there. They're not creative what they've done in the last 1015 years, creativity was only because of snowboarding. But

Pat Abramson 1:05:16
that that would be the professional thought. I would say the the average person was good and see. Good for you. I don't care what you do. You can ride down on, you know, skis. I don't care.

Mike Ranquet 1:05:32
I have sex with a dude for all I care.

Pat Abramson 1:05:35
Exactly. But when you get to the, you know, the TV stuff and the professional stuff, it's like, Hey, guys, just make up your own name. Don't

Mike Ranquet 1:05:45
say they just want to everybody wants to cling to and clamor to skateboarding. Because it's fucking cool. That's, I don't know why. But

Pat Abramson 1:05:56
I want to Dracula. Is that invented by

Mike Ranquet 1:06:00
the Lean Dracula? Yeah, yeah, that was JD Pat Platt.

Pat Abramson 1:06:05
All right. All right. All right. How about the nuclear?

Mike Ranquet 1:06:09
Yeah, yeah, that was the makikita I don't even know what the fuck that is.

Pat Abramson 1:06:15
That's George pappases trick is the crock and

Mike Ranquet 1:06:18
no, I remember that. And it was just like that. That's that's when I just started fucking being a dick to everybody. You know? Like, like, what the fuck you doing? Like you just like do your own little variation of a air and then just make up a stupid ass fucking name like that. That's so retarded. But the fact that like, the snow,

Pat Abramson 1:06:44
just I can't do any of those. Anyway, well, the snowboarders

Mike Ranquet 1:06:48
just let the skiers just encroach, and just take everything. Because they didn't come up with that with any of it themselves. It was all borrowed on loan for another sport altogether. And seemingly was theirs. But it's like snowboarders I, you know, like skaters. When, when I was a kid, it was like, he didn't, you know, we go skate these banks at night and can't, and you wouldn't, you'd never leave garbage. You'd never basically you left it better than when you got there. You know, cuz he didn't didn't want the next dudes to fucking get in trouble. Or, you know, I mean, people thought about a bigger picture. They thought about skateboarding as a whole and, and like, you know what? Like, we're snowboarding. It's so yeah, it's just individual. Nobody gives a fuck about the sport. And they're just wondering about it now, like the soul of the sport or this. And it's like, you guys, you guys will never touch any of that. Because it's like, your is another

Pat Abramson 1:07:55
good analogy about snowboarding a skateboard. And I've said this before it the gone gap. So gone. All lead the gone gap, right? Yeah. Remember that one, Embarcadero. So the next guy who stepped up had to outdo gone, right? Yeah. And if you don't, you can't just go all yet until it has gone very good it that you have to do something, or match

Mike Ranquet 1:08:21
or beat.

Pat Abramson 1:08:24
And it's it in that the thing that got lost, it's like, we can just go right around and just put crap out. But skateboarding you just don't step to the rail and do something less than the guy before you. You have to go out do that guy. Not that you want to like outdo him too.

Mike Ranquet 1:08:46
But just to be able to justify somebody pressing the record button and

Pat Abramson 1:08:51
correct, correct or, or to get the respect or you know, you can boardslide it all you want and go for it, you know and like, but just don't put it out. So like if you're going to outdo gone, well, then you got to 188 or you got to kickflip it or you got a heel, flip it or you got 360 Flip it. But if you're just going to ollie it, like Don said, and what are you doing? Like, it's cool, but you're not going to outdo the guards on the gun staff. And so, that's, that's kind of what's gotten lost is that nobody really cares about it.

Mike Ranquet 1:09:24
And what happened before it, who was before them, they don't care where they came from.

Pat Abramson 1:09:30
Right, right. And so that has gotten lost. It's like, we don't really care like what we do. It's just that we're just gonna do something and everyone's gonna like it.

Mike Ranquet 1:09:39
Another thing is like as we were being kind of like ushered out and getting a little pat on the back. It's like the dudes that took over then in Utah is like they I seriously think that they seriously believe that. Like, this is our sport. This is snowboarding This is us. This is our sport when When it you know, it's not theirs is not mine, it's not yours, it's a sport and we should all be looking after what's best for it and what's best for it is like, I don't know, just, you know, diversity and I'm not talking like gender or fucking color of skin. I mean, like diversity in, in ages of people, you know what I mean? Like, like, you know, just doing an editorial trip where you take, you know, take two dudes and get a third one that's, you know, get that one rail kid and take them on a powder trip and yeah, just sit like that it was just gone, you know, because nobody knows.

Pat Abramson 1:10:37
I mean, the well rounded rider is very extreme, the guy that can do everything, and ride everything really well.

Mike Ranquet 1:10:46
And that that kind of is just so it's, like, divide and conquer

Pat Abramson 1:10:53
that right, you know, in my opinion, and you know, in sorry for everybody else, but like, a pro snowboarder can go out and shoot anything. And if you can't go out and make a beautiful pattern, and you can't drop some kind of clip. And yeah, you should be able to do a method of a pipe. But I mean, come on,

Mike Ranquet 1:11:18
or you shouldn't feel ashamed if you ever did get a shot writing powder like that always. You know, just

Pat Abramson 1:11:27
like, that is very rare. You know, like, you know, like a terry A, and like, you know, one thing about you, Mike, that I will say like, you don't have to ride a snowboard halfpipe. You ride a vert ramp. So you're

Mike Ranquet 1:11:44
I was at the time when I was writing pipes when I was younger, I could go well, you did you. I could go way better on a skateboard. So I just never bothered. I was like, joke, you know?

Pat Abramson 1:11:56
Well take one of those super pipe fighters, probably 99% of them and say, All right, drop into this vert ramp, and they're probably going to shit their pants. You know?

Mike Ranquet 1:12:06
So tell my friend a line. It's when he's at the top of some contest run. He'll call me sometimes, and I'll be like, just picture all these policies fucking on top of a vert ramp. And the fact that you'd be the only one there that could drop in That's embarrassing. You should be ashamed that you're competing against CSKA is.

Pat Abramson 1:12:26
Well, no. And that's that's why, you know, there's, there's, you know, there's like you and maybe I don't know if there's anyone else but like, you can skate a vert ramp, and a big one, and a big pool. And I'm sorry, but that's way gnarlier and dropping into your 20s. But halfpipe it really is. Because, yeah, you know, one bale in a frickin deep pool

Mike Ranquet 1:12:51
or a break. You're gonna wake up in the hospital. You're done.

Pat Abramson 1:12:55
Yeah. And like you can you can. I mean, yeah, you can, you know, you can fall from a 20 foot air into a pipe, but you know, you're, you're still going to be your chances of being better.

Mike Ranquet 1:13:09
Well, you know, what was interesting save is like, you know, again, 1520 years ago, but 10 You know, about 10 years ago, I did a boo loco episode, where I was talking about like, it was right when the skiers you know, just kind of like started skiing in the pipe. And all of a sudden, they discovered Whoa, we can go really high. You know, and they were like, there's this like clip after clip of like, just the skiers it boosting the pipe, but like my first thought was like, you know, the snowboarders barely understand like the intricacies of pulling out too much or not pulling out or you know what I mean? But they had to kind of learn it because they've been writing shitty pipes for 10 years now the pipes are perfect. His whole their sport just walks right in just walks through the door and then you know, within a year you know some fucking you know, some 25 year old 29 year old skier chick, you know, did a 20 foot air but you know, she was two feet out and went 40 feet to the flop bottom and fucking died. Yeah. And that's it's like, it's like they were playing with fucking fire and they burn their fingers and they couldn't understand why. You know what I mean? Like I called it before it happened I was like one of these skiers can get really fucking hurt because they you know, they don't have the you know, they just are just going big and they're gonna fuck up one of those just going big ones and they're gonna fucking die. Oh, I dropped my earphones. Yeah.

Pat Abramson 1:14:47
Well, back late. Yeah. You guys arrive at 12 foot vert ramp and pull out the flat. What was that? Well, you know, try to Right, a 12 foot vert ramp and not hit the training. You know? Like, that's just Yeah, you'd

Mike Ranquet 1:15:06
have to pull out 1012 feet, you know.

Pat Abramson 1:15:10
But what I'm saying is is like, the the snowboarders now can land like six, eight feet down and still like, right away. Whereas like in skateboarding, you can't do that. You can't.

Mike Ranquet 1:15:24
Yeah, you got to be fat. No, not at all. You got to be fucking on point like, right? You know, foot undercoating because if it's lower, you're you're gonna crumble you fucking

Pat Abramson 1:15:35
scary. That's the thing. It's scary. To do that you have to have a ball. Because you're gonna

Mike Ranquet 1:15:41
go early screw up doing it, you know?

Pat Abramson 1:15:45
Well, yeah, but you have to learn them first. You know, like, most of these guys will land halfway down the transition. And, you know, the the run is kind of done. But, you know, you have to have balls to land on the bird. Yeah. This is what I'm saying. Like, very few. If you watch these contests, most of the guys are landing way low on the transition, because they're scared to death. But you have to be scared to death. Yeah, you can't go big on the next wall. You can't.

Mike Ranquet 1:16:19
Yeah. It's like, if

Pat Abramson 1:16:23
you watch the contest, they go lower. As they go down the pipe. Like the first it's big second, it's kind of bag

Mike Ranquet 1:16:31
was always like a big backside air. And then they're on their toe edge. And then some big method air and then a fucking whirly bird to fakie. And then the next one is the same really bird but switch. And then they're back on their toes. Like when I used to judge half of Congress. I started averaging out like I think it was like, back then it was like, like, a top 16 i What was it like 90 to 95? Yeah, 90% of the walls they hit are fucking toe edge. They really only ride their heel edge up the wall like at the very beginning when they have all the speed or at the end when they're winding down because like you like when you go off of a pipe. Straight fucking superpipe on a snowboard. You. You're just floating. You know what I mean? You just have to fucking where does it frontside? You can you can fucking pop because you got your ankles and you spring off your ankles. And then they land switch and then just do that again. And so it's like, almost predominantly toe edge riding in the pipe, you know?

Pat Abramson 1:17:51
Yeah, sure. Absolutely true.

Mike Ranquet 1:17:53
Okay, I used to trip on that. Because it was just like, I don't know, if you

Pat Abramson 1:17:58
if you watch Sean. And then that that Japanese kid who skates Bert, those guys catch the top of the training. And that's why those guys go big. Yeah, all the way down the pipe. And that's the difference. Like I've actually told, told coaches, I'm like, Hey, man, you guys got to teach these kids how to stay Bert. Because the guys who know how to save birth, aren't scared to death. And

Mike Ranquet 1:18:24
is well it's the same with in surfing. Well, I'll just say like, you know, in surfing and snowboarding, the one dude that is you know, in their era, at least in May in the surfing case is right now is like the you know, that stand above everyone else is like John, John Florence and Shaun White. They both skate vert. Yep. Yep. You know. And so it's like, people were just like, floored by John John usually, like, kinda like, how can you think of that? Or, you know, I always say about surfing. It's like, you guys want to know what you're going to be doing? And 20 years from now? Why don't you take a look back and see what skateboarders were doing 20 years ago, you know, and that, that that's where you can start there. Like, you know, their whole trick. Would he call it progress, it's already all been done for them. They just have to learn it. Whereas like, they used to lead the sports as far as you know, they're the oldest sport and skating was predicated on it. And it's like, all of a sudden, they're kind of like, not leading that anymore. And they don't like it. And they're almost re renaming trait like, you know, tricks that skateboarders have done for like 40 years, you know, like they can't, they can't figure out an alley

Pat Abramson 1:19:46
back. You can't go back and learn skateboarding though. Like

Mike Ranquet 1:19:50
you just can't go back. No, no, you got.

Pat Abramson 1:19:54
You can't go back to 10 years old and start skateboarding. It just doesn't work. And so You can't figure it out. But But yeah, like skateboarding hurts. It's, I compare it to golf

Mike Ranquet 1:20:09
actually, I used to I always have like, it's very much like golf. It's like

Pat Abramson 1:20:14
you can be, you can be having the best game ever came with skateboarding. You're like skateboarding and like everything clocking in and then all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose. Yeah, yeah. Over. And like you just wrecked so hard. And same with golf. Like, you're just like golfing.

Mike Ranquet 1:20:31
Yeah, you fucking like partying every hole yet? Like, you know, eight over on Deluxe. Yeah. No, it's at Continental.

Pat Abramson 1:20:40
That's another funny analogy that I thought of today when I was driving is that golf celebrates their masters. And so you can watch the Masters you want to do in their 70s playing golf that are amazing. And people love it. Yeah, and like,

Mike Ranquet 1:21:01
and because it gives all the dudes that are 60 and 50 a glimmer of hope that they'll be able to fucking golf when they're that age.

Pat Abramson 1:21:10
Exactly. And I was thinking about snowboarding. And I was like, wow, they knew that. And like, and

Mike Ranquet 1:21:16
then they wonder why they're so fun. There what would you say? Oh, that's

Pat Abramson 1:21:23
one thing. Like, golf. Celebrate them. Like, oh, I want to watch Jack Nicholson playfully dead. You know, it's like, and the guy's good. They're not they don't dock. They can't, you know, they can't do with the new print.

Mike Ranquet 1:21:37
Yeah, they're not doing 500 yard drives.

Pat Abramson 1:21:40
But they're they're doing but they're they're also chipping onto the green, where those guys can't even come close to that at times. But yeah, every time, but they're like, people love it. What they love.

Mike Ranquet 1:21:54
I remember like the holy bully I think it was some years ago, man, it was super cool about that dude, because his say, at that point. I done a lot of contest stuff like judging contests. And so I'd go to some big event and be hanging out with all the pro riders and whatever, but I never get to ride with them. Because it's like, they're gonna go ride their fucking, you know, colossal halfpipe or fucking gnarly jumps for the X Games. And yeah, I always I only judge like, really kind of big contests anyways, you know? And, yeah, and it was like, the holy bullet was like, all of a sudden, it was like, everybody can ride, you know, fucking Patmore could drop in and do something gnarly for him off that jump and I could then go off the same jump and fucking, you know, just pre jump and backside butter a whole thing and, you know, you know what I mean? Like, it was cool, like, everyone interacted we, you know, rode down, get on the chairlift together and like I was really stoked on that because it was like, you know, like I could shine there you know what I mean? But I can't shine like on modern fucking jumps. I'm not ever go off them ever. Not even once. You know? But with that,

Pat Abramson 1:23:14
I'll say something about Pat Moore is his methodology events are dope like that. Everyone rides together?

Mike Ranquet 1:23:22
Yeah. Yeah, that kids cool.

Pat Abramson 1:23:25
They kind of had the same feel as like a baseball where everyone's just at the top of the course. They're all together doesn't matter who's Pro or amateur. You know, whatever. So that his little his event is definitely like

Mike Ranquet 1:23:40
one of those no one from Utah's ever won the bank slalom. I don't think it'll I don't know it's like

Pat Abramson 1:23:50
night night just fired up Utah. Created fuck

Mike Ranquet 1:23:55
use hot places fucking dump fuck you. Okay, I mean seriously man like it's just it's just a bunch of just vanilla kids hey all like I'll just look the same they ride the same MAC the same probably all had bigger contracts than I ever did. And you know I

Pat Abramson 1:24:18
got it and you're not going back to Utah.

Mike Ranquet 1:24:22
Oh fucking Utah go back there anytime a fucking one go hang out deadline fucking read the bird. All this chumps are like, I don't know. Just writing stupid. Man made jumps. Yeah, they go right. They just go right man. But

Pat Abramson 1:24:36
you got the plane. Like you Mike Ranquet You

Mike Ranquet 1:24:40
know in there has fucking balls like that. You fucking kidding me? Dude, those are the ass hats that gave our entire culture to the sport of skiing on a silver platter. Yeah, just go ahead and fucking Yeah, I'm not quite sure even what a shift he is. But you guys can use that word.

Pat Abramson 1:24:59
You know personal Unless there

Mike Ranquet 1:25:01
Oh, whatever. I don't even know that fucking is that place to dump? Period? Did you ever catch me there? Yeah if you ever see me there you know I lost it you know we were talking earlier about just the whole like, like, kind of thing around somebody who's like you got to just be it just it's like hurray for everyone that little Simpsons fucking parade shit. Hey everybody it's hurray for everyone and they come out and they're just like, everyone's happy. Yeah, and it's just it's a it's bullshit like, people need to get their fucking hate on like, seriously, get your fucking hate on go go find something just hate it just hate it hate me I don't care.

Pat Abramson 1:25:58
Well yeah, absolutely. But it's not. It's not just that can can there be a little criticism a little bit? You know like yeah as

Mike Ranquet 1:26:09
if they're like the LGBTQ community.

Pat Abramson 1:26:13
I know I know everyone wants to just get along but like, a sport will not evolve unless there's some criticism like you have to have it

Mike Ranquet 1:26:23
like, Well, I mean, that was out the window and say 2001 Like anyone that was like a quote unquote snowboard journalists were like, What a stupid fucking od call it moniker, but they were they're all just fanboys disguised as journalists that no one's gonna go pry a story out of someone. No one's gonna, like, get to the bottom of the Nicolas Mueller thing. No one's gonna mean like, no one's gonna do anything. They they're just, they're just fans of each other. They just help. You know, just

Pat Abramson 1:26:58
I will. Here's, here's what I do. I have a libel of blood magazine. I have to send you one. And it will just ignite your appreciation. For the time when like, we actually poked fun back at the industry. So hilarious.

Mike Ranquet 1:27:20
I got like, Yeah, but then then that whole Utah set in 2000. Just that, you know, in the year 2000. They were just they they're too cool. They're all too cool. That's what it was just fucking

Pat Abramson 1:27:34
like blood died before. No,

Mike Ranquet 1:27:36
I know that. I know that. I know that now. I'm just saying so and so did so did urban writing and the whole idea of riding a Rails?

Pat Abramson 1:27:44
Well, yeah, the day would have got there a whole rip. If there were around during for it. Oh my god, it would have been hilarious.

Mike Ranquet 1:27:53
Yeah, you know, anytime an issue that came out, I would just do a quick scan. And see if they made fun of me. You know what I mean? Like, it was like, oh, fuck, you know? We know

Pat Abramson 1:28:05
like, yeah, they they had no holds barred. It was so like, do you have to send you that the article about the ego

Mike Ranquet 1:28:14
gets to work you suffer

Pat Abramson 1:28:18
the ego Gestapo. It's about Rippy. And like, not not to, like, brag on Rippy. But at the point of snowboarding, they were bagging on Burton so hard. It was it was it was actually amazing. You know, like, no one would touch Burton at the time. Like the one like went after them. And it was so hilarious.

Mike Ranquet 1:28:45
Yeah, it's, uh, yeah, I remember I remember being on a lift in. In Donner riding up with Roche one morning. I think we're going to film for fucking roadkill or something in like, yeah, I never seen Rippy I just heard heard of them. You know. And yeah, we're going to be filming with rupee today. And, and we, he he. Let's see, he wrote into the lift when we're sitting on the lift. And say he did this like, you know, for us had nose bone basically like me and like, wrote, and but he didn't skate at all. It maybe he did, maybe. Yeah, I'm not saying he never skated it, but for the most part snowboarders that say they skate. They don't Yeah, or they do on such a small level. But like, it just seems like really weird to me. Can't like in my head. I was like, well, he's got skate style, but he he doesn't skate. That's, that's fucking weird that, like, people would just go out and adapt that style. You know? I mean, like, it was, it was it was confusing to me. You know? I was just like, Huh, that's really fucking weird. Where'd that come from? What's that? Where they came? That came from me?

Pat Abramson 1:30:06
Yes, exactly. Emulate somebody, you know, oval you or

Mike Ranquet 1:30:11
whoever. It was weird to me. I was just thought Yeah, only skaters are gonna kind of ride like this is we're skaters we're gonna do it a little bit differently or whatever. But it was weird. And then all of a sudden, everybody rode like that, you know? And it was like, another thing I was gonna say is like, what snowboarders did back in the day like save particularly with the like a shifty right they'd see like maybe a shot of cardio doing a fucking sick Ali you know, cardio Thuggin master that to the point that like a shifty on a skateboard. It's pretty, you know, it's fucking it shows you have a mastery of an ollie, you know what I mean? Yeah, you can just fucking like, form it with your feet in. But the way you know just that whole like that kind of a that shifty movement that like, say late backset 180 kind of movement. It's like snowboarders who would see a skater in a magazine, midway through a shifty right in like, in a cool position. His feet are awful. Where's the snowboarders would they wouldn't look at the whole thing. Like, how did he get into that? And then why did he do that? Oh, it's actually he did a shifty. So he catch the transition, right there or whatever. You know, they just saw the middle part and emulated the middle part. They didn't. They didn't like say,

Pat Abramson 1:31:30
offer understand, like the pop off. That's

Mike Ranquet 1:31:33
what I mean, like, hey, there's none of that mechanics lost. You know? Right. Right. Right. And it was like, in a bit, they get the middle position of the shifty. They thought that was it. You know? It's like, No, this is part of a flow of a trick. You know what I mean?

Pat Abramson 1:31:51
Well, yeah, that like, like, for cardio for cardio gal, or like anybody that was skateboarding. If you could do a 20 foot shipping is like, that was like golden. Like, oh my god, or I'm gonna do like a 30 foot backside 180. Like, I'm doing backside one as off of like a launch ramp off of four feet. Now I can do 120 feet. Or, like, Yeah, I'm gonna absolutely try that. Like that sounds that feels good. You know,

Mike Ranquet 1:32:25
you know what one thing about say roadkill that, just that. At that time, that was the biggest boom of people starting somewhere in 9192. Yeah, that was like, and it was, you know, yeah, that all sorts of little movies came out at that time, say, but it was roadkill just put it in, in play that, you know, there's not one trick in that video that somebody that had been thinking about snowboarding even felt like they they could go do those tricks. I could go do a frontside 360 I could do a small back. So everything was in ski areas. And you know, kind of kind of smaller, you know what I mean? It was like, people related. They were like, the style. Yeah, no, no style. Yeah, for sure.

Pat Abramson 1:33:16
That was the other thing. It's like, that movie had dial, there were some pokes. There's some stuff that like people were like, wow. Yeah, I can do that. Yeah, like,

Mike Ranquet 1:33:27
but yeah, it gave people the feeling that they could go do it. Whereas, you know, cut to 1520 years later. And now we have more. So if, you know, you could be a pro rider. If you fucking blow, you know, miss a year for some reason, we'll see. To go do your mission. You know, in the case of today, you know, if you miss a year or something, you know, you're not coming you're not getting back to where you were and excelling from there. Because it just went so fast so far, you know, the progression of shit like just like, you know, exponentially just boom, you know?

Pat Abramson 1:34:05
Yeah. Yeah, there's been there's many many over the years that have just gone away. That that

Mike Ranquet 1:34:12
you mean pro riders? Oh, yeah. Oh, dude. Yeah, it's like the, the shelf life of like seasonal fruit at an organic market. You know, you'd be lucky to get it home before it rots, you know? Well,

Pat Abramson 1:34:29
no, it'd be like dude, like swear to God. over the 12 years. I was at ride there'll be guys guys that we get sign. And they were gone. I was like, oh, like I was like, all the team

Mike Ranquet 1:34:43
will say they just kept what he call it you know, there's just this like, just burning urge. I don't know what it was but like they just needed the old baby Jesus was never enough. We need new baby Jesus that does Something different, you know, like, and and it's like, they just go you know like, Okay, you see that? That finished kid? Yeah man he does a sick his switch back loop slides. And then the finish good breaks his ankle and fucking anyways, yeah that that fucking that is going to college. Yeah. Or it's just like yeah no

Pat Abramson 1:35:27
I'm just no bar guy over here. I just want to sell board. I'm not going to college, I get that so we're gonna get this other guy. Yeah he's out

Mike Ranquet 1:35:40
you know it's hard to do any kind of long term marketing for any any brand at all, you know, say you know, you know if you're looking out let's say I'm at the helm of some silver company, you got to be a year ahead of everything. But if you're running like two year contracts and every writer then you can never it's not dependable you know like say surfing they they signed us for 10 fucking years, you could blow your knee out surfing and just come back. It's like expected during that time that yeah, you're an athlete, you're gonna get hurt for a while. Or snowboarding. It's like It's like the second year you have a shin splint you might as well just fucking you know, go out into the cornfield and fucking blow your head off. Sick Children in the fucking corner something man like,

Pat Abramson 1:36:30
right here's the shovel. I need to dig this hole right now.

Mike Ranquet 1:36:34
But just a hole like insistence it like like

Pat Abramson 1:36:37
Dixie by like three. So my me I'll just

Mike Ranquet 1:36:42
let you guys deal with it fucking

Pat Abramson 1:36:47
Oh, is that? Just a shotgun? Don't worry about it.

Mike Ranquet 1:36:51
Yeah, it's funny, you know, being a grown ass man now and I still think about this shit. Like, you know, sorry, it's how I fucking know. And guess what? Fucking dorks I know, way better than fucking you guys because I wrote it. I know. I know. It's, uh, you know, like, a, you guys are just all fucking following my lead, basically. I mean, really. And it's like, at the end of the day, it's like people like me don't even have an opinion in this sport anymore. We're not even like, you know, there's no like, you know, there's no one event a year where they, you know, bringing the fucking wheel and the old dudes, you know, I mean, it's like, it's a it's sad for the sport. There it is, you know, because if you look at surfing, skating, it's like, people care about surfing. They care about their own individual surf their wave, but they care about the whole thing of it. They, you know, like me was skating. I didn't watch the Olympics, per se, but I checked in and watch it because I felt like, I want to see how it's represented. Because I care about skateboarding. You know, I'm not involved in the skateboard industry. Like, I have no skin in the game other than I'm a skateboarder, so naturally, I care about whereas, like, snowboarding is very fucking, it's selfish, you know, people only care about, you know, getting this big contractor doing this. They don't think about like, a big picture. No one. No one has a long play in mind. You know, like, I was saying this before. It's like the relevancy when people were like, oh, Terry, a, he's having relevant, he hasn't been relevant in years. It's like, dude, that guy be relevant in 100 fucking years, you moron. It's called a long is it's a fucking long game. And, you know,

Pat Abramson 1:38:42
it's called history. I mean, come

Mike Ranquet 1:38:45
on. Yeah. And all these fools are gonna be in the, on the wrong side of it at the end, you know? Like, is he at some point?

Pat Abramson 1:38:54
Yeah. And then some people will actually, you know, some of those people will actually realize it. And they'll be like, okay, all right. Yeah, like that. I won't, I won't just miss all those people. Some of them don't know the history, and then we'll learn it and they will understand it. And they'll be like, Oh, okay.

Mike Ranquet 1:39:14
To the contrary, I will dismiss all those people. I just did. I just dismissal. I don't even know who I'm dismissing. But

Pat Abramson 1:39:21
But, but this is one thing I will say is that surfing is older than skateboarding. And it took skateboarding a little bit of time to catch up with surfing. And snowboarding is older than skateboarding. Or sorry, younger. And so it may take some time. So I mean, I won't miss it completely. Because skateboarding did go through a period where you know, they had like in

Mike Ranquet 1:39:48
the 90s You walk into a skateboard shop. There's one size deck, one size wheel, one size truck, and one. The wheels were like Wonder ometer you know, it was like 99 drummer. Now you go on skateboard shop, there's, you can get a penny you can get a longboard drop through fucking shortboard and get a retro board. And so like, say surfing, they kind of went through that. I don't know, in the early two, that they all they finally figured out, they finally figured out that, that not everyone should be riding the board that Kelly Slater rides, and they just started fucking for fin thrusters again and like, just suddenly started exploring. And so it's like, at that time, let's say 2000 I remember seeing that and surfing, and then watching it in skateboarding, and just going okay, in about 10 years, snowboard shapes, there's just gonna be crazy shapes. And then I just slowly watch that happen. And it's just because there's, there's fuckin cycles, and there's history in play. And if you know it, then you can see it. You can see like, yeah, okay, cool. We don't all need to ride technical boards we can ride you know, you know what I mean? Like, it's just, it's, it's so retarded that,

Pat Abramson 1:41:05
like, I'm saying is like, we're younger than the other two. Yeah, it may take some time for us to catch up. But I really think like, the color will finally get back control and they will catch up. It's just, you know, who knows how long ago?

Mike Ranquet 1:41:27
A young child should lead them all? Like, in his mid 50s?

Pat Abramson 1:41:35
Yes, then say?

Mike Ranquet 1:41:39
Yeah, don't, ya know? It's like, it's

Pat Abramson 1:41:43
put that on T shirt.

Mike Ranquet 1:41:45
Oh, yeah.

Pat Abramson 1:41:49
But you know, that's what I'm saying. Like, we're surfing was first, skateboarding was second. No, boarding is third.

Mike Ranquet 1:41:59
Yeah, that's I was kind of like, adding to what you're saying. But seeing like, I just noticed it in board design. Like, you know, when they started fucking around with different boards, early 2000s and surfing and then skateboarding followed suit, and then we followed suit. And, but, but we we fucking, oh, you know, we left, you know, we're running on like one or two tires as a sport where we should have four. You don't even we're like balanced on one little part of the fucking car. Those guys, you know, they still have their spare tire, they have all four tires. And they also work. They didn't just like, you know, hit one bump in the road and just tear them off and fucking leave them at the side of the road. You know, they you know what I mean? Like, it's like, those are like more like this. They care more about their sport, you know, like this skate. It's just it's yeah, it's it's such a trip.

Pat Abramson 1:43:03
Like, one thing I will say about snowboarding that some people don't understand is that there's a side of snowboarding where you go out, and you could die that day. Yeah. And that's the one that in surfing kind of the same way. And skateboarding, for

Mike Ranquet 1:43:23
sure is to get really hurt. You can get really hurt, you can die and skin surfing, you get really scared.

Pat Abramson 1:43:31
Well, you can drown. Yeah, literally,

Mike Ranquet 1:43:34
more people die in the mountains snowboarding than they do in the ocean surfing. For sure.

Pat Abramson 1:43:39
And so like, you know, when we go out and do a certain side of snowboarding, it is a absolute life or death situation that some people just don't understand. And that's where we separate ourselves from skateboarding and surfing, where there is a side of snowboarding where it's very, very heavy, where, you know, you're in the big mountain, you have to negotiate stuff that will kill people, a lot of people and it's a bad deal. And so, you know, it's it's just one of the things that like, some people don't understand, like, the days some of the days we go out are so intense in life threatening that the other side of snowboarding, which is like riding a contest and the rails like yeah, you can get hurt, but we're going out in situations where people can die. And it's very, very it can happen, you know, any day

Mike Ranquet 1:44:45
Yeah, I mean, that's yeah, no, it's that's part

Pat Abramson 1:44:50
for sure. That's where we separate you know, from the other sports is where, you know, some of these shots are trying to get are very, very life right and it is a very intensive situation where it really messes with you. I mean, I swear to God, like, some of the days like I came back, you know, it was like, I don't believe we all live, you know?

Mike Ranquet 1:45:15
Yeah, no,

Pat Abramson 1:45:16
I don't know if anyone else goes to work in their normal day, and wonders if they live. But we haven't have had to do that. So it's a little, you know,

Mike Ranquet 1:45:27
yeah. Anytime I've been up in Alaska, the scariest thing to me is when the sun is shining through the fucking blinds in the morning, and you know, you know, it's, you know, it's on, you know, dude, we're not taking a warm up run. We've been getting drunk every night for two weeks.

Pat Abramson 1:45:48
You know, and you're getting dropped off on something to some

Mike Ranquet 1:45:52
fucking wretched peek. I can. Yeah, yeah,

Pat Abramson 1:45:58
no, you have no idea if anyone like knows what the hell's going on. And that's the other thing that I've been trying to tell some people is like, these guys today get to like, have photos and video, and crews and people digging pits. We didn't have any of that, like, we flew up for stuff. And we had no clue what the hell we were dropping on. And some of our, we didn't even have guides that would even dig pits. They would just get in the heli

Mike Ranquet 1:46:27
guides for the first three or four years in Alaska, like the early 90s. Like, yes, it sounded. To me at the time, it sounded like such an extravagance, you know, like guide Yeah. Like, that's like fancy, you know, I don't know.

Pat Abramson 1:46:45
Yeah, but like, you didn't have a radio. I mean, when I was in Alaska, I didn't have a Polaroid of

Mike Ranquet 1:46:53
the nothing, nothing. No, you had to like go you had to look at shadows and you had to do it very, pretty fast. You couldn't sit on top of the mountain for an hour because all those shadows changed in that time. says that you gotta like you know, on the fly up fucking just memorize. Just look at the line. You want to just think of every little like wind crease in the snow, you want to you know, just anything.

Pat Abramson 1:47:20
Imagine. I flew up one time and Alaska when I looked at the wrong key. So the whole time we flew up. I was looking at the wrong peak and we got dropped up on the other peak. Like, like that right in that peak. But like now, I was like, I didn't even look at that peak.

Mike Ranquet 1:47:37
I had just a propensity to fall asleep all the time in helicopters. I'd get in and just like my mom on my own Yeah, just kind of shake me up and I just I just doze and fucking I mean, so many times I wake up, whether it's like midday, two minute fucking naps, like where the fuck am I like, everyone's filing out like, hurry up, go. Fucking, you know, just get out of the copiers taking buku flak Charlie everywhere. Yeah, totally.

Pat Abramson 1:48:11
Where are we going? Yeah, there's like a 1400 foot clip over here. And then you have to go over there. And then you do okay

Mike Ranquet 1:48:19
the firt the first year in Alaska 92. They had a fucking little plane with you know, the water pontoons? And I mean, the thing was so small inside it was smaller than like a Volkswagen Bug. But we get in that fucking in what was cool about the plane as opposed to the copter, it took more time to go up. But the plane this one particular had a had a tape deck. So we could fucking put in fucking rain and blood on the way up just like it was like we'd always play Slayer on the way up, you know? But one time I hear the fucking you know, chat was flying. And he rarely flew the the the what he call it? The planes and the fucking plane. I mean, I'm sitting shotgun, and just black smoke and flames start coming out of the fucking. And chest is like, Ah, fuck, hold on. Just puts it down on the glacier somewhere and just wrenches for an hour while we're fucking like, just three sheets to the wind, you know? And he's like, okay, he'll climb back in. We're good. He just fixed it right there on the spot. Whatever. You know, it was on fire. I don't know. Maybe poured some baking soda on it. I don't know. But, um, but then. So we would fly up and circle around. Yep. See, you had plenty of time to look at lines, you know. And you didn't even have to have them like say, Oh, can you do a flyover right here, you're doing the whole time. But like when you would when we come into land, you know, we're up high on the mountain. So it's like how do you fucking Lana playing high over the mountain. You fly just straight at the mountain. Like almost just straight out where you're like, Are you fucking kidding me? You know? And at the last second, he pulls up. And then what do you call it? Just? Yeah, just a gnarliest noise is some shit you're like to and he just, you know, pull up and just fucking start to put the pontoons down on the mountain on the steep ass mountain of Mount of which you know you bet you know you'd barely ride down the first time you get scared shitless and he just be flying up the sing like they're playing to like catch like 100 feet of air you know between like one Oh yeah, you could just like and then he just go and go and go until he couldn't go any more and just you know the whoever's sitting shotgun it just jumped out and then there on the on the wing on that side was just a little fucking like, you know just a handle to grab and like I just you know, I'd lean up against him out and it just hold the plane everyone else you get out and then and you know give cleared chat and he just fucking you let go. The thing just dropped and it just took off. I mean, he was airborne like, no, like, say came up all the way up to the top then it would start to turn into a half turn say okay, and I would jump out Yeah, and then and then to take off it was just like like oh the wing and fucking it would just turn down and the airborne 20 feet then he'd like like fucking to go hit the ridgeline we'd be on to the point that we'd have to duck down below the other side of the ridge because he was so fucking close. Other times he just would unload his nine millimeter the whole clip into a fucking like, When would he call it into obvious avalanche? You know, slab? You know? I mean? Just obvious fucking when loaded slab maybe you small corners? He did fucking he'd RE load while flying. And then just blast another clip into it like, and he just see these avalanches. Whoa, it was fucking sick, dude. I love that shit. It was like, yeah, yeah, you've pretty much left for dead Arthur though. But you know, in a sense that that right there like, you could say, disenfranchise some snowboarders that would never get up there. And that kind of spawned that. The kind of urban movement in that the dude's just riding where they're at, you know what I mean? Like, then they're never go to Alaska, they know that, you know. So it's like, they just went the other way. And it's like, you know, in surfing, it's like, no matter who you are, how good you are, whatever. You still have to like, have a strong showing on the North Shore of Oahu. You have to go surf there every year, and surf fucking good. And you could win every contest. But if you can't surf there and get some photos on some off days, you're done. Like no team manager will respect you. It's like if you can't hold your own on the North Shore. You're not even considered a surfer. You're just your punk. You know?

Pat Abramson 1:53:23
Not only that, like they have big boats out and frickin jet skis like it's not I mean, it's kind of like a heavy situation where you like you have to take a big boat out. Not not

Mike Ranquet 1:53:35
really not on the North Shore now. No, no, that's like Chofu and like that. Yeah, you'll see him in the just on the shoulder all the boats? Yeah.

Pat Abramson 1:53:46
I'm not sure Okay, yeah,

Mike Ranquet 1:53:47
I'm not either. I just fucking hum around it all the time.

Pat Abramson 1:53:53
I touch it about

Mike Ranquet 1:53:54
Yeah, I used to I better I seriously think I my opinion on aerials and surfing is like Good job guys. What fucking took you 40 years What took you so long? Like I thought like where they're at right now. The best dudes in the world. I thought that's where they be 9095 For real? When like I started really paying attention to surfing and and I talked to Christian Fletcher a lot and the Fletcher's and Nia like just that whole like oh fuck they're on fire fucking they're gonna change this whole sport and nope the sport blackballed the whole fucking family because they didn't want

Pat Abramson 1:54:35
about Michael Chuck. Like everyone's like, oh good doubles. Like that's sick. I was like, Well, Michael chip was doing the 90s it just never caught you know, known. liked it. I guess.

Mike Ranquet 1:54:48
His name was Michael Michael Chuck. Like, that's why he is a funky name. No, that dude was cool.

Pat Abramson 1:54:56
He was amazing. Athlete and he was actually a gymnast. Yeah. And he

Mike Ranquet 1:55:04
use us adapted, riding snowmobiles across the river. So if

Pat Abramson 1:55:09
I, if I know correctly, he hurt his Achilles or something happened to where he injured himself and he couldn't do it anymore. And that he was writing for Nike actually at the time. But he was doing doubles and then trying triple in the nine.

Mike Ranquet 1:55:28
Yeah, he was uh, he was kind of you know, it's a he didn't have that ski style. That's what it was. And so he wasn't cool. That's what that's what made it people who are not cool, you know? Oh, yeah. Like Terry doesn't have that Terry has a fucking like, I always called like, alpine style. You know, kind of like Mickey Albin. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know, just something about it. It's like the Euro freestyle deeds is they're, they're strong, you know, but, but they don't feel like they have to pretend they're skating when they're just, you know, going from the end of the park to the fucking bottom of the chairlift or something, you know,

Pat Abramson 1:56:10
I would say Viking style.

Mike Ranquet 1:56:13
We'd say what Viking style? Yeah, no, I've just always call ya know, just in my head just always called like an alpine style. It's just more I don't know. There's guys are fucking pretty adept. They really good with their, with their edges, basically. You know? Yeah. Yes. Yes. snowboarding's funny dude. It's a yo it you think I can't just talk shit on YouTube? I think I'll get my ass kicked by a bunch of fucking snowboarders that take they just let skiers just fucking take everything. Fuck them.

Pat Abramson 1:56:49
Yeah, surrounded by dudes with gold teeth. And cornrows

Mike Ranquet 1:56:55
and and then all get attacked by their agents in their parents probably. Dude, tell your fucking dad to leave me alone man. No,

Pat Abramson 1:57:11
man, I'm massive me anymore.

Mike Ranquet 1:57:15
Yeah, the only one the only person in all of you, Todd. Yeah, two people. Dead long. Sorry. I love you. And you're from Utah. That's cool. I got it. And Ben Pellegrino I don't want to diss him and where he's from I love that dude. So yeah, but everyone else go fuck yourselves How's all of you? You've been doing it for years anyways so whatever you can go fuck yourself and fuck a sport at the same time oh god I don't fucking care they don't own snowboarding fucking they think they do because like you know they're just like I don't know like whose tip jars This is ran off with it fucking I'm going I'm going to get the tip jar back guys yeah, don't you know yeah don't don't leave your legacies laying around in Washington State because someone will steal it like the funny is that now Baker's now become popular. Do you mean now?

Pat Abramson 1:58:34
Well no, it became popular annoying last like three

Mike Ranquet 1:58:37
years we mean it became popular in the last fucking three years he's like 1995 It was pretty popular

Pat Abramson 1:58:44
well now everyone's going there and like filling like the road gap and like all this like run Baker thing.

Mike Ranquet 1:58:54
People just go there in their fucking gap here all the fucking like rich east coast. Kids Massachusetts. Talk the parents into letting them have a gap year and they just go ski bomb and Mount Baker that's what I've seen the last fucking 1020 years of their

Pat Abramson 1:59:16
1020 30

Mike Ranquet 1:59:18
Whatever. It's all the same. I mean, talk about fucking a bunch of like, just just all that shit that happened with Marcellus shop the Mount Baker Snowboard Shop and how dude just walked into town. The monorail, the monorail, the monorail? You know, like that Simpsons episode is like the new shop. The new soft shoe shop.

Pat Abramson 1:59:43
You I've rode the monorail like two weeks ago. I was telling people heard that the sentence said and they had no clue.

Mike Ranquet 1:59:51
Do they clown Seattle's so hard. So

Pat Abramson 1:59:58
funny. And they're like really? Like yeah, you gotta watch The Simpsons episode.

Mike Ranquet 2:00:03
I mean that that I'm just still thinking about that fucking was named Jeff. It just came in and like kind of worked for Marcella for a minute and then just basically tried to steal her shop name and everything all her vendors and open up a shop across the street called Mount Baker snowboards. That's the Snowboard Shop where Mount Baker like what the fuck are you doing? You fucking idiot Get the fuck out of here. Nobody said that. They are all like, oh, cool this great man. You know, he bought you know, he gave me fucking 10 bucks off. He's cool. As like, like no town in the world has ever been bought so cheaply, then glacier Washington that year. And it was. That was some crazy shit, dude. And no, no one says anything anymore. It's just like mum's a word. It's like, you know, that was Dobis family. You know the fan? Like what the fuck is wrong with you guys? Like you're just gonna let them get walked on. Now it was fucked up.

Pat Abramson 2:01:05
Yeah, it's very, very tough. Very tough.

Mike Ranquet 2:01:08
Very well. It wasn't tough. It was like, fucking is blatant.

Pat Abramson 2:01:14
Well, it's just toxic. It's dope.

Mike Ranquet 2:01:19
It was insane. Dude. Like Dobis when to let that happen? Anyone in that entire town at all? You know? And then I don't know.

Pat Abramson 2:01:27
Just he'd be upside down shotgun. Frickin my

Mike Ranquet 2:01:31
just nobody said anything. It's like, oh, there's a new Snowboard Shop now. I guess all the old ones. Oh, we got a new ones like what? That was yeah, that was some dog shit, dude. Yeah, I still like, I just gotta like, have a disdain in me for that town for letting that go down. Nobody. Nobody stood up. They just let it run its course. And finally the guy fucking made some fool of himself and ran out of town with the tail between his legs.

Pat Abramson 2:02:07
But yeah. isn't gone.

Mike Ranquet 2:02:10
Yeah, I think so. I mean, really? Yeah. He hasn't been no Yeah, who's gone that years? Like, I mean, you know, at the very least beat the fucker within an inch of his life. Like at the very least, just you know, just for doing that today. I drove

Pat Abramson 2:02:28
by like on a town. I drove by the shop and I drove by both and I was like, Whoa, damn, like open so I just kept going.

Mike Ranquet 2:02:38
Yeah, I mean it's just got so muddy. So in ya know, no one was defending Marcella they just let her all letter just like get run over by the bus. Same bus Attari got run over okay, when you start to do that, that's pretty much signifying the end right matters again brought to you by TELUS snowboards pretty much the best fucking boards in the world which is and my unwavering wit funny as hell I hate myself and I want to die trying to make the world a better place for for someone at some point, but definitely not the the crew that snowboarding right now. I tried to make the world a better place and they fucking blew it.

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The whole skiing thing
Fruit-booter didn’t bite skating, unlike skiers
Snowboarding could sue skiing for identity theft.
Media should’ve been voice of reason
No one from Utah has won Baker Banked